Biden Officially Secures Enough Electors to Become President

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

As the old saying goes - If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Finally, you said something sensible. Now, if you just knew how to apply it. It's the whole point about the obvious massive election fraud.

 

[KenH]

It's the whole point about the obvious massive election fraud.

Can you discuss the actual election instead of this make-believe fairy tale election that President Trump and his acolytes have dancing in their heads. This is the season for visions of sugar-plums dancing, not Trump's fevered fantasies.

 

[Lodic]

Can you discuss the actual election instead of this make-believe fairy tale election that President Trump and his acolytes have dancing in their heads. This is the season for visions of sugar-plums dancing, not Trump's fevered fantasies.

Ken, I thought the point of this discussion was just that - the election. This is not about some kind of conspiracy theory. Most of us on this thread (myself included) are of the view that this election was rigged, and that Biden has not actually won. Personally, I believe the evidence that I see reported on such sources as Newsmax, the Federalist website, and even Fox News. I believe you stated that you did not actually vote for Biden, but you clearly believe this was a fair election. We get that. What more is there to say on the subject? If Biden is actually sworn in on January 20th, I'll support him and pray for him, as we should for all our leaders. However, I will also continue to believe this was a stolen election.

 

[Reformed1689]

Can you discuss the actual election instead of this make-believe fairy tale election that President Trump and his acolytes have dancing in their heads. This is the season for visions of sugar-plums dancing, not Trump's fevered fantasies.

Changing the election rules outside of the legislative process is a fraudulent process. It is Unconstitutional. We know those things happened. The states admit those things happened. Do you not have a problem with that?

Forget the alleged voter fraud, let's focus on the actual illegal actions of the states. The mail in ballots of many states are by very definition illegal votes and should not be allowed to count toward this election the pandemic notwithstanding.

 

[KenH]

'll support him and pray for him, as we should for all our leaders.

As I have done and continue to do for President Trump.

I will also continue to believe this was a stolen election.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

[KenH]

Changing the election rules outside of the legislative process is a fraudulent process.

For example, Pennsylvania did make changes legislatively.

Also, an example, Arkansas did not make its changes legislatively, but simply administratively said that anyone could request a mail-in ballot and claim it was because of COVID-19. So do you think Arkansas 6 electoral votes for Trump should be tossed out?

 

[Lodic]

For example, Pennsylvania did make changes legislatively.

Also, an example, Arkansas did not make its changes legislatively, but simply administratively said that anyone could request a mail-in ballot and claim it was because of COVID-19. So do you think Arkansas 6 electoral votes for Trump should be tossed out?

The legislative changes that PA made were in violation of their state constitution. Therefore, the Arkansas comparison is not apples to apples.

 

[Reformed1689]

For example, Pennsylvania did make changes legislatively.

Also, an example, Arkansas did not make its changes legislatively, but simply administratively said that anyone could request a mail-in ballot and claim it was because of COVID-19. So do you think Arkansas 6 electoral votes for Trump should be tossed out?

PA made some changes legislatively, but a vast majority of the changes were not. I don't know about Arkansas, I would have to review it.

 

[KenH]

The legislative changes that PA made were in violation of their state constitution.

The Republicans, Trump's own party, agreed to the changes. It was after Trump lost, months after the changes were made, that they threw up the "constitutionality" argument. What a bunch of sore losers.

 

[Reformed1689]

The Republicans, Trump's own party, agreed to the changes. It was after Trump lost, months after the changes were made, that they threw up the "constitutionality" argument. What a bunch of sore losers.

Does that matter? It's not fair to other states and the citizens of those states that certain states are violating the law in a national election no matter which party agreed to it. Laws matter.

 

[KenH]

It's not fair to other states and the citizens of those states

One state can't tell another state how to run its elections. Conservatives used to believe in local and state control. I guess a lot of them threw out that principle when they gave their political souls to Trumpism and it toxicity to representative constitutional republicanism.

 

[Reformed1689]

One state can't tell another state how to run its elections. Conservatives used to believe in local and state control. I guess a lot of them threw out that principle when they gave their political souls to Trumpism and it toxicity to representative constitutional republicanism.

They can if that state violates the Constitution.

 

[Reformed1689]

One state can't tell another state how to run its elections. Conservatives used to believe in local and state control. I guess a lot of them threw out that principle when they gave their political souls to Trumpism and it toxicity to representative constitutional republicanism.

Like I said, they can if that state violates the Constitution. That's not giving over to Trumpism or going against representative republicanism. In fact, it is upholding it.

 

[KenH]

They can if that state violates the Constitution.

What part of the U.S. Constitution are you claiming they violated?

 

[KenH]

In fact, it is upholding it.

Balderdash.

 

[Reformed1689]

What violation of the U.S. Constitution are you claiming they violated?

Article 2, Section 1. Only the legislatures can make policy on how the electors are chosen. That does not give way for state boards of elections, or courts the freedom to change the rules, even in a pandemic. That is a clear violation of the United States Constitution as the lawsuit pursuits.

 

[Reformed1689]

Balderdash.

You just don't like it because it means there is a real possibility Biden will not be President and, as a Never Trumper, that terrifies you.

 

[KenH]

Article 2, Section 1. Only the legislatures can make policy on how the electors are chosen. That does not give way for state boards of elections, or courts the freedom to change the rules, even in a pandemic. That is a clear violation of the United States Constitution as the lawsuit pursuits.

Nope. The legislature can determine the how - by popular vote or by the legislature, or another method. Once the decision is made to go by the popular vote, they can't decide they didn't like the outcome and try to do another method. No way the SCOTUS would let them get away with such thievery.

State legislatures empower agencies, such as their Secretary of State, to administer the election. If they have a problem with how he or she did so, then they can make changes for the next election, not one that has already taken place.

Maybe the faux conservatives who don't like our representative constitutional republic can convince Donald Trump to move to some place like Belarus, then they can move there with him and try to overthrow that government. Just leave the one we have here for true Americans alone.

 

[KenH]

there is a real possibility Biden will not be President

And the possibility is somewhere around 1,000,000,000,000,000 to 1.

 

[Reformed1689]

Nope. The legislature can determine the how - by popular vote or by the legislature, or another method. Once the decision is made to go by the popular vote, they can't decide they didn't like the outcome and try to do another method. No way the SCOTUS would let them get away with such thievery.

State legislatures empower agencies, such as their Secretary of State, to administer the election. If they have a problem with how he or she did so, then they can make changes for the next election, not one that has already taken place.

Maybe the faux conservatives who don't like our representative constitutional republic can convince Donald Trump to move to some place like Belarus, then they can move there with him and try to overthrow that government. Just leave the one we have here for true Americans alone.

No, they make the rules period. The agencies carry out those rules. It's not stealing an election, it is upholding the law.