Bill O’Reilly and the Right’s Morality Problem

[Rolfe]

I though you considered yourself part of the right.

Regardless, government is not a moral entity per se. They don't have moral standards like pastoral requirements. They really have one purpose, to keep civility, by punishing evil and protecting the innocent. It's not easy, but simple.

We have just entered The Spin Zone...

 

[Salty]

Too obscure and has nothing to do with the Law.

Didnt say it was law - rather it appears that some people will take anything to fight/argue about.

 

[Calminian]

We have just entered The Spin Zone...

Well, actually the biblical zone. Biblically, governing officials have a very narrow scope of duty. These are laid in in Romans 13 primarily. Governments were put in place by God, and aren't limited to Christians and don't have a large list of requirements. Very simple. Protect/minister to the innocent, and punish the guilty. This would include protecting citizens protecting our borders, etc.

Ironically, many moralistic Christians are terrible and governing because they can't get the basics right. Jimmy Carter would be a great example.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I don't need to consult my Rep. I didn't ask a question with leading comments, you did.



I said nothing about WHO America's enemies are.
I said nothing about anyone "consorting with an enemy"
I said nothing about an enemy attempting to change the results of a presidental election.
I said nothing about obstructing an investigation.
I said nothing about implying an impeachable offense was made.
I said nothing about implying anyone had committed treason.

You made all of those implications.

Why would I go ask my Rep about what YOU said?

I asked you questions about what YOU said. And apparently you do not know WHY you said what you did.

As usual you're dancing around my question. Not Answering it. I'll put it to you straight. Is Communist Russia a friend or enemy of America?

 

[FollowTheWay]

No. That is not the American way. Investigations and Judgements, never declare a person "innocent".

And you have already proved by your statements, you have made judgements against me, and against Trump.

You act in the Liberal Way, making accusations as if they are true, when they are not.

Where are you coming from? American legal tradition assumes a person is innocent until proven guilty. Do you support that or not?

 

[FollowTheWay]

The President is not the "president of a democratic society".

A US President is President of the United States of America, which is a Republic.

We state as an objective extending democracy throughout the world but you are correct. The difference is that in a true democracy issues are decided by a direct vote of the people. In a democratic republic they are decided by representatives of the people. This is a minor point and has nothing to do with the Democratic and Republican parties.

 

[FollowTheWay]

A practical illustration of "collusion" with Russian officials?

President Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
President Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir, and I stand with you."

Obama to Russia: ‘After My Election I Have More Flexibility’

Was this a message to Putin to interfere with the election to do what he could to see to it that Obama won the election?

What did Medvedev mean by "I stand with you"?

Collusion!?

Let the investigation START HERE.


HankD

"A senior administration official tells ABC News: "this is a political year in which the Russians just had an election, we're about to have a presidential and congressional elections - this is not the kind of year in which we're going to resolve incredibly complicated issue like this. So there's an advantage to pulling back and letting the technical experts work on this as the president has been saying."

Obama Asks Medvedev for 'Space' on Missile Defense

Nothing to investigate. We need an independent commission to investigate Trump's relationship with a foreign enemy to change the result of the election. The Republican led Congressional commission is going nowhere because it isn't independent.

 

[Happy]

As usual you're dancing around my question. Not Answering it. I'll put it to you straight. Is Communist Russia a friend or enemy of America?

You tossed out some comments, I asked you questions about your comments. You didn't not answer.
You claim Russia is an enemy of America. And again, you provide no reason of why.
Why are you not forthright on your own position before you demand my position?

 

[Happy]

Where are you coming from? American legal tradition assumes a person is innocent until proven guilty. Do you support that or not?

I have already commented on that subject. Post #95

 

[Happy]

We state as an objective extending democracy throughout the world but you are correct.

Correct.

The difference is that in a true democracy issues are decided by a direct vote of the people. In a democratic republic they are decided by representatives of the people.

Correct.

And in some countries, the people have NO SAY, NO VOTE.
And in some countries, they remain that way, or thereafter elect representatives, or choose a direct VOTE of the people to be counted and the election results are by direct vote (known as a populous vote).

This is a minor point and has nothing to do with the Democratic and Republican parties.

Actually it does, because BOTH parties promote a representative voting system throughout the world.

BOTH parties promote EQUALITY ~ "under the law". Which is to say, regardless of the individual, every individual is TREATED the SAME, in legal matters. (ie, "under the law")

And further ~ each party promotes their own agenda, at home and abroad, which outside of the frame-work of "VOTING", are extremely different agenda's.

Republicans promote individual Liberty.
Democrats promote Socialism.

Socialism is a system whereby the Government owns and controls everything, and equally doles out to the People at large.

Liberty is an ideal (and premise upon which this country was established) whereby everyone is an individual to excel in whatever they choose to gain intelligence, wealth, property, etc. and manage it themselves, or not.

And for the most part, many people do not know the difference, but rather support the "PARTY" who promises to "TAKE CARE OF THEM", ie, lumps who do not plan, desire, exert the effort or want to take care of themselves; ie socialists.

 

[Happy]

"A senior administration official tells ABC News: "this is a political year in which the Russians just had an election, we're about to have a presidential and congressional elections - this is not the kind of year in which we're going to resolve incredibly complicated issue like this. So there's an advantage to pulling back and letting the technical experts work on this as the president has been saying."

Obama Asks Medvedev for 'Space' on Missile Defense

Nothing to investigate. We need an independent commission to investigate Trump's relationship with a foreign enemy to change the result of the election. The Republican led Congressional commission is going nowhere because it isn't independent.

We need an independent commission to investigate Trump's relationship with a foreign enemy to change the result of the election.

This is such a VAGUE charge.

Could you be more specific? What exactly was TRUMP trying to change? His lead in the polls? lol

Could you be more specific? How exactly was a foreign President going to make changes FOR Trump?

Could you be more specific? When exactly did Trump EVER meet the foreign President Putin to solicit Putin to perform such magic on behalf of Trump?

Could you be more specific? What was Putin to gain?

And BTW - have you promoted wanting an investigation into Obama's or Hillary's financial gains via their relations with Russians?

 

[HankD]

Bill Clinton has been silent about the meeting and its propriety. He has made no public comment, and an adviser said Friday that he has no plans to do so. Until Saturday, Hillary Clinton had nothing to say about the propriety of the meeting.

How everyone looks bad because Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch

How soon we forget (Well the liberal press anyway).

Collusion as well?

HankD

 

[HankD]

It was not the first time that the Obama administration attempted to determine the outcome of a foreign election. In the last Israeli election, the Obama State Department funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer money to the opposition of Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations found that the State Department and a group called One Voice coordinated political activities — including the building of a voter database, the training of activists, and the hiring of a political consulting firm tied to President Obama himself.

Yet, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has charged that Russia interfered with the 2016 U.S. presidential election by releasing e-mails damaging to the Clinton campaign effort. But why is it acceptable for the United States government to interfere in another nation’s election campaign efforts, but not acceptable for other countries — including Russia — to (allegedly) interfere in U.S. elections?
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U.S. Has Interfered in Foreign Elections Multiple Times

Hmm...

HankD

 

[FollowTheWay]

This is such a VAGUE charge.

Could you be more specific? What exactly was TRUMP trying to change? His lead in the polls? lol

Could you be more specific? How exactly was a foreign President going to make changes FOR Trump?

Could you be more specific? When exactly did Trump EVER meet the foreign President Putin to solicit Putin to perform such magic on behalf of Trump?

Could you be more specific? What was Putin to gain?

And BTW - have you promoted wanting an investigation into Obama's or Hillary's financial gains via their relations with Russians?

By change the result of the election I mean just that. Electronic voting machines can be hacked to change the vote totals. The results from those machines which are sent electronically can be changed. I'm looking for an investigation into whether Trump's Russian friends hacked this election and made him the undeserving winner. Putin wanted Trump, an inexperienced, vain, weak individual to win so he could take advantage of our weakness and take America down. I have no questions about Obama or Hillary with regard to collusion with our enemies, the Russians. If you do please state your proof.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Correct.



Correct.

And in some countries, the people have NO SAY, NO VOTE.
And in some countries, they remain that way, or thereafter elect representatives, or choose a direct VOTE of the people to be counted and the election results are by direct vote (known as a populous vote).



Actually it does, because BOTH parties promote a representative voting system throughout the world.

BOTH parties promote EQUALITY ~ "under the law". Which is to say, regardless of the individual, every individual is TREATED the SAME, in legal matters. (ie, "under the law")

And further ~ each party promotes their own agenda, at home and abroad, which outside of the frame-work of "VOTING", are extremely different agenda's.

Republicans promote individual Liberty.
Democrats promote Socialism.

Socialism is a system whereby the Government owns and controls everything, and equally doles out to the People at large.

Liberty is an ideal (and premise upon which this country was established) whereby everyone is an individual to excel in whatever they choose to gain intelligence, wealth, property, etc. and manage it themselves, or not.

And for the most part, many people do not know the difference, but rather support the "PARTY" who promises to "TAKE CARE OF THEM", ie, lumps who do not plan, desire, exert the effort or want to take care of themselves; ie socialists.

This makes no sense.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I have already commented on that subject. Post #95

No substance to your reply. Are you saying "Not Guilty" is not the same as "innocent." If not what does it mean?

 

[FollowTheWay]

You tossed out some comments, I asked you questions about your comments. You didn't not answer.
You claim Russia is an enemy of America. And again, you provide no reason of why.
Why are you not forthright on your own position before you demand my position?

I said Russia is the enemy of the United States. Do you agree or disagree/

 

[Squire Robertsson]

It was pointed out last November such a scenario was unlikely. Because the US voting system is so decentralized. There is not just a single system needing to be hacked. 51 systems need to be seamlessly hacked. Many of the various systems are not totally digital. Many like my county's system is a blend.

By change the result of the election I mean just that. Electronic voting machines can be hacked to change the vote totals. The results from those machines which are sent electronically can be changed. I'm looking for an investigation into whether Trump's Russian friends hacked this election and made him the undeserving winner. Putin wanted Trump, an inexperienced, vain, weak individual to win so he could take advantage of our weakness and take America down. I have no questions about Obama or Hillary with regard to collusion with our enemies, the Russians. If you do please state your proof.

 

[Happy]

By change the result of the election I mean just that. Electronic voting machines can be hacked to change the vote totals. The results from those machines which are sent electronically can be changed. I'm looking for an investigation into whether Trump's Russian friends hacked this election and made him the undeserving winner. Putin wanted Trump, an inexperienced, vain, weak individual to win so he could take advantage of our weakness and take America down. I have no questions about Obama or Hillary with regard to collusion with our enemies, the Russians. If you do please state your proof.

My Proof of what? You are the one making the claims.
More of your claims are in this post.
1) "Trump's Russian friends"....who specifically are you talking about?
2) "Putin wanted Trump..to win"....what is your evidence?

You think Votes can be changed but have no questions about Barry or Hilly with regard to collusion with your enemies (the Russians), why not?

 

[Happy]

This makes no sense.

To you it makes no sense, and I agree, it makes no sense, to you.