Many years ago, a professor for a class I was taking stated that 14% is the point at which ethanol becomes toxic to the fermentation yeast, thus setting the upper limit for its content in non-fortified wines. 20% wines like sherry and port have distilled spirits added, usually brandy IIRC. A lot of wines I noted back when I used to drink had alcohol at 9-10%. The cheapo bottles like Richard's Wild Irish Rose were the 14-percenters. (However, I'm about as far from being an expert as is possible.)
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BJU Prof Randy Jaeggli's book on alcohol
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Many years ago, a professor for a class I was taking stated that 14% is the point at which ethanol becomes toxic to the fermentation yeast, thus setting the upper limit for its content in non-fortified wines. 20% wines like sherry and port have distilled spirits added, usually brandy IIRC. A lot of wines I noted back when I used to drink had alcohol at 9-10%. The cheapo bottles like Richard's Wild Irish Rose were the 14-percenters. (However, I'm about as far from being an expert as is possible.)
The former one and most IFB require one to abstain.
Is this a new edition, or did you get ahold of the one that was pulled from the market?
New edition
Execsive use? So they can drink in moderation?
I believe our church covenant says, "to abstain from the sale and use of intoxicating drinks as a beverage" (or something very close to that).
Thanks. I haven't kept up in the last couple of years I guess. I have the old one. It would be interesting to see what changes were made.
My church does not say that because it's not biblical.
evangelist6589, to clarify, I was reporting on what our church covenant states, because a couple of previous commenters mentioned church bylaws and church covenants. I would agree with you that it is not biblical to call all (limited and moderate) use of alcoholic beverage a sin. But I would not agree that it is unbiblical for some to voluntarily decide and agree together to not engage in the sale or use of alcoholic beverages.
Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
The Bible tells us:
1) What we must do
2) What we are prohibited from doing
3) What we are recommended to do or not to do
So where does the Bible prohibit us from have a no-alcohol policy?
www.sbc.net/resolutions/1156
"RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Greensboro, North Carolina, June 13-14, 2006, express our total opposition to the manufacturing, advertising, distributing, and consuming of alcoholic beverages; and be it further RESOLVED, That we urge that no one be elected to serve as a trustee or member of any entity or committee of the Southern Baptist Convention that is a user of alcoholic beverages."
My church does not fully embrace all SBC doctrines. For example most SBC are arminian and teach tithing while my church does not.
Yes some may choose that. But to force that position on everyone is what I am concerned about.
Do you have a reference for that info?
I see the messengers agreeing to some things, and URGING other to do the same.
Is there anything actually binding on the books?
You are probably right that most SBC churches teach tithing, but it seems that less may do so now than in the past. Most SBC churches are not Arminian. Some people call SBC churches Arminian if they do not embrace Calvinism, but that is a polemic use of terminology rather than an accurate one. Ii is my sense that a very large majority of SBC churches believe in the doctrine of Eternal Security without question, which cannot accurately be described as Arminian. Perseverance of the saints and falling from grace is an open question among Arminians. If you just mean to say that most SBC are not Calvinistic, then I think you are correct.
The very nature of a church covenant is that it is an agreement entered into voluntarily by church members. If you don't agree with the covenant you don't enter into covenant. (I suppose one could ask for an exception and have it granted, but I've never heard of that.) In actual practice many churches and church members may pay little to no attention to their church covenant.
Here's how one SBC entity implemented this directive from the Convention:
2017 Code of Conduct for North American Mission Board church planters
www.namb.net/NAMB_CodeofConduct2017.pdf
"...member of record and in good standing in a Southern Baptist or Canadian National Baptist Church. I will abstain from the consumption of any alcoholic beverage or illegal drugs. I will not view pornography..."
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