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Zaac

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Zaac, have you always harbored this hatred of yours? Or has it just manifested itself since you joined the BB?

Rippon have you always been so dense or did it just manifest itself since you joined BB?

I'm the same 24/7. I don't hide behind a keyboard and then become a different person when I'm in front of people.


Racially prejudiced Old white men accused MLK Jr of being hateful.
Racially prejudiced Old white men accused Lincoln of being hateful.
Racially prejudiced Old white men accused JFK of being hateful.
Racially prejudiced Old white men accused Obama of being hateful.
Racially prejudiced Old white men accused Clinton of being hateful.

Racially prejudiced Old white men accused everyone but themselves of harboring hatred for someone.

So I don't have any problem whatsoever been accused of hatred. Wouldn't be the first time someone didn't know what they were talking about when it comes to me.

But don't confuse my intolerance for self-righteous, white-privileged bigotry for hate. The lot of ya are just upset that I don't have a problem telling you once again, just how unChristlike the behavior of most of you on here continues to be when it comes to race, politics and anyone who doesn't look or think the way that the majority white people on this board do.
 

Zaac

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Zaac used to concentrate on sanctimonious blatherings telling other Board members how to behave like Christians, telling them they should eschew everything political, although he never did.

But the racial instigator Zaac showed up later and has remained since. This is the real guy. Gratefully the phony ultra pious Zaac is gone. Hopefully to stay .

Just don't ever ask him to prove anything. His intellectual dishonesty is still a staple.


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Yep blind as a bat.

Zaac is Zaac 100% of the time. I address it as it rears its ugly head. When your unGodliness rears its head in any form, I don't have a problem addressing it.

So the ultra-piousness crap is just an excuse to make you feel better. When yall inevitably start your foolishness about Hillary Clinton that has nothing to do with Jesus, I'll address that wickedness with the same fervor as I address your wickedness about skin color.:smilewinkgrin:
 

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Yep blind as a bat.



Zaac is Zaac 100% of the time. I address it as it rears its ugly head. :


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Right. You're phony as a $3 bill all the time. That we can all count on.


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OldRegular

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Rippon have you always been so dense or did it just manifest itself since you joined BB?

I'm the same 24/7. I don't hide behind a keyboard and then become a different person when I'm in front of people.


Racially prejudiced Old white men accused MLK Jr of being hateful.
Racially prejudiced Old white men accused Lincoln of being hateful.
Racially prejudiced Old white men accused JFK of being hateful.
Racially prejudiced Old white men accused Obama of being hateful.
Racially prejudiced Old white men accused Clinton of being hateful.

Racially prejudiced Old white men accused everyone but themselves of harboring hatred for someone.

So I don't have any problem whatsoever been accused of hatred. Wouldn't be the first time someone didn't know what they were talking about when it comes to me.

But don't confuse my intolerance for self-righteous, white-privileged bigotry for hate. The lot of ya are just upset that I don't have a problem telling you once again, just how unChristlike the behavior of most of you on here continues to be when it comes to race, politics and anyone who doesn't look or think the way that the majority white people on this board do.

Yep blind as a bat.

Zaac is Zaac 100% of the time. I address it as it rears its ugly head. When your unGodliness rears its head in any form, I don't have a problem addressing it.

So the ultra-piousness crap is just an excuse to make you feel better. When yall inevitably start your foolishness about Hillary Clinton that has nothing to do with Jesus, I'll address that wickedness with the same fervor as I address your wickedness about skin color.:smilewinkgrin:

Boy! Zaac you are at the top of the list for being self righteous! You have even surpassed your mentor Crabtownboy!

Righteousness is imputed to those who have been redeemed through Jesus Christ.

[But, Self Righteousness does not come from Jesus Christ, it comes from an overblown ego driven by Satan himself! So enough of your self-righteous blather!
 
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Sapper Woody

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Here's a simple thing being overlooked by those who keep saying "the same thing happens in the white community". The difference is (besides a lower rate) that the white community isn't blaming another race for their problems. Yes, both the white and black communities have crime rates that are too high. Yes, they both have families that are falling apart. Yes, they both have high rates of abortion. But the black community is blaming the white community for this, and not vice versa. And therein lies the difference.



I don't mean anything racial by this post. I only want to help. But the first step of any healing program for any problem from any therapist in the world is - quit blaming others for your problems. Man up and do what it takes to change what you don't like.
 

Bro. Curtis

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It would be a shame for this thread to be indexed by Google. It would be hard for someone to think of BB as a Christian forum if they stumbled upon this.

I'm really surprised to see it still going. Hard to give an intelligent response.

But I'll try.

About abortion. It's federally protected. I see a lot of Christians fighting wrong headed battles on it. Some states have been able to make some gains, but overall, abortion is a right. I see nowhere in the Bible to make sin, no matter how grave on our eyes, against the law. Nowhere. Sin is not legislated away. We have wasted money & manpower in the wrong fight, when we should be praying, and encouraging others to pray, that God's will be done. That's what we are commanded. A lot of good discussions have been trashed by an ill-timed abortion rant. I wish it didn't happen.

Racism ? Accusing me of benefitting from someone else's enslavement of Africans is like saying you benefitted from Nazi medical experiments on Jews. It doesn't wash. I owe no more to the sin of slavery than the end of slavery owes to me, for my ancestors being from the north. But it is impossible to have a productive discussion about solutions on this board.

Pro-life for the living. I believe Carpro works to secure veteran's benefits. I imagine, if I am correct, he has worked with representatives from all races. O/R, and Padredurand have adopted unwanted children. I have worked in the human services for a long time, making a lot less than if I was in a job that used my A.E.. I would give that all of us tithe and give offerings to missions that run hospitals and improve quality of life all over the world. The "pro-life-for-the-living" is an ignorant judgement. It should be stopped.
 
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Use of Time

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Here's a simple thing being overlooked by those who keep saying "the same thing happens in the white community". The difference is (besides a lower rate) that the white community isn't blaming another race for their problems. Yes, both the white and black communities have crime rates that are too high. Yes, they both have families that are falling apart. Yes, they both have high rates of abortion. But the black community is blaming the white community for this, and not vice versa. And therein lies the difference.



I don't mean anything racial by this post. I only want to help. But the first step of any healing program for any problem from any therapist in the world is - quit blaming others for your problems. Man up and do what it takes to change what you don't like.

Is the consensus explanation for these issues for black people really based on white racism though or are we just letting the usual talking heads speak for them? I get the feeling a lot of people are just posting out of annoyance with Zaac.

I'm with you on most of this but what has been happening in this thread was simply white people pointing out the issues of black people while ignoring their own. Their were no solutions offered or ideas to improve things. Surely you can see that labeling the entire race of black people a race of violent people who have children out of wedlock is a stereotype that isn't helpful or respectful.
 

Use of Time

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I'm really surprised to see it still going. Hard to give an intelligent response.

But I'll try.

About abortion. It's federally protected. I see a lot of Christians fighting wrong headed battles on it. Some states have been able to make some gains, but overall, abortion is a right. I see nowhere in the Bible to make sin, no matter how grave on our eyes, against the law. Nowhere. Sin is not legislated away. We have wasted money & manpower in the wrong fight, when we should be praying, and encouraging others to pray, that GOod's will be done. That's what we are commanded. A lot of good discussions have been trashed by an ill-timed abortion rant. I wish it didn't happen.

Racism ? Accusing me of benefitting from someone else's enslavement of Africans is like saying you benefitted from Nazi medical experiments on Jews. It doesn't wash. I owe no more to the sin of slavery than the end of slavery owes to me, for my ancestors being from the north. But it is impossible to have a productive discussion about solutions on this board.

Pro-life for the living. I believe Carpro works to secure veteran's benefits. I imagine, if I am correct, he has worked with representatives from all races. O/R, and Padredurand have adopted unwanted children. I have worked in the human services for a long time, making a lot less than if I was in a job that used my A.E.. I would give that all of us tithe and give offerings to missions that run hospitals and improve quality of life all over the world. The "pro-life-for-the-living" is an ignorant judgement. It should be stopped.

Wish you had shown up earlier. This post was needed. Well done.
 

Zaac

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I'm really surprised to see it still going. Hard to give an intelligent response.

But I'll try.

About abortion. It's federally protected. I see a lot of Christians fighting wrong headed battles on it. Some states have been able to make some gains, but overall, abortion is a right. I see nowhere in the Bible to make sin, no matter how grave on our eyes, against the law. Nowhere. Sin is not legislated away. We have wasted money & manpower in the wrong fight, when we should be praying, and encouraging others to pray, that God's will be done. That's what we are commanded. A lot of good discussions have been trashed by an ill-timed abortion rant. I wish it didn't happen.

I've said the same thing. We keep looking to politicians to do what the Body of Christ is to do by pointing folks to Christ. But when the folks in the Body of Christ seemingly care more about their politics than they do about people, then you'll see this continued pattern of telling people their party is the party of death, or attitudes telling young girls that they don't have the right to make decisions about their bodies, instead of folks pointing them to Christ and away from wrong decisions.


Racism ? Accusing me of benefitting from someone else's enslavement of Africans is like saying you benefitted from Nazi medical experiments on Jews. It doesn't wash. I owe no more to the sin of slavery than the end of slavery owes to me, for my ancestors being from the north. But it is impossible to have a productive discussion about solutions on this board.

It's especially difficult when those who benefit everyday from white privilege can't acknowledge it.

Some of Peggy MacIntosh's reflections on race. http://jimbuie.blogs.com/journal/2007/11/50-examples-of-.html


1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.


Pro-life for the living. I believe Carpro works to secure veteran's benefits. I imagine, if I am correct, he has worked with representatives from all races. O/R, and Padredurand have adopted unwanted children. I have worked in the human services for a long time, making a lot less than if I was in a job that used my A.E.. I would give that all of us tithe and give offerings to missions that run hospitals and improve quality of life all over the world. The "pro-life-for-the-living" is an ignorant judgement. It should be stopped.

When the masses stop opposing many of the attempts to help the poor and needy because the church isn't doing it, then the judgment will stop. Until then, CTB's statement is correct.
 

robustheologian

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It's especially difficult when those who benefit everyday from white privilege can't acknowledge it.

That's the stealth of privilege...of course you won't be able to see it. Like evil, there are plenty of evil people but they will almost never admit that they are evil. That's what it means to be in darkness.
 

Zaac

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That's the stealth of privilege...of course you won't be able to see it. Like evil, there are plenty of evil people but they will almost never admit that they are evil. That's what it means to be in darkness.

AMEN!!!:applause:

I expect the majority of white people who benefit from white privilege to deny that they benefit.
 

Bro. Curtis

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It's especially difficult when those who benefit everyday from white privilege can't acknowledge it.
This is an indication that you didn't read my post. Not going to address this.


When the masses stop opposing many of the attempts to help the poor and needy because the church isn't doing it, then the judgment will stop. Until then, CTB's statement is correct.
Complete hogwash. Only meant to deify the democrat vote. I'm not going to try and reason with hatred.
 

Zaac

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This is an indication that you didn't read my post. Not going to address this.

Get your radar fixed. It's an indication of no such thing as I read your post.


Complete hogwash. Only meant to deify the democrat vote. I'm not going to try and reason with hatred.

Man I could give a rat's behind about a Democrat vote. And you should know by now that there will never be any reasoning with me when it comes to unGodly wickedness that some of you parade around and wave like a red badge of courage.

So you scream unreasonable and hatred all you like. I'm still gonna call the outright wickedness witnessed on this board to be just that: WICKED.
 

Bro. Curtis

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That's the stealth of privilege...of course you won't be able to see it. Like evil, there are plenty of evil people but they will almost never admit that they are evil. That's what it means to be in darkness.
You're a solid poster here, most of the time. Please tell me you're not joining the CTBoy and Zaac clique.

I will not accept guilt for my skin tone. For cryin' out loud. And the idea that my skin color keeps me ignorant of how my skin color benefits me is crazy. Come up with some solid examples of my racism, or white privilege, or stop with the dancing around.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Get your radar fixed. It's an indication of no such thing as I read your post.

Ummm….yeah.





Man I could give a rat's behind about a Democrat vote…..

That's as far as I got. Yer Mr. Funny Man, now. The only thing you base your BS accusation on is our refusal to support team zero.
 

robustheologian

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You're a solid poster here, most of the time. Please tell me you're not joining the CTBoy and Zaac clique.

It has nothing to do with clique but rather conviction. But like CTB and Zaac, I do oppose the blatant disregard for racial sensitivity by carpo and Salty (and some others) and everyone else's unwillingness to address that.

In all honestly, I can come to grips with the fact that everyone will not see eye to eye on issues like this...but it is horrible to see no one (with the exception of kyredneck) call the likes carpo or Salty to the carpet for offending fellow believers. Albeit, i'm sure that offense has been given and taken on both sides of this debate but carpo and Salty's kind (and I see that you are very perceptive) is just blatant.
 
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Bro. Curtis

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It has nothing to do with clique but rather conviction. But like CTB and Zaac, I do oppose the blatant disregard for racial sensitivity by carpo and Salty and everyone else's unwillingness to address that.
A lot of us have addressed it. You forgot O/R and RDII. I refuse to stick up for the GOP because of their statements. We should stick to specifics.

It bugs me to see Crabtownboy tell me Paul's writings aren't scripture, that people who won't listen to women preachers are bigots. I wish Zaac and other self-styled crusaders would fight that half as hard as he fights his preferred battles, but he can't, because he won't take Crabtownboy to task. Cliques around here are awful. They make folks look like hypocrites. The only poster I can honestly say seems to treat everyone equally unpleasantly is Van.

In all honestly, I can come to grips with the fact that everyone will not see eye to eye on issues like this...but it is horrible to see no one (with the exception of kyredneck) call carpo or Salty to the carpet for offending fellow believers. Albeit, i'm sure that offense has been given and taken on both sides of this debate but carpo and Salty's (and I see that you are very perceptive) is just blatant.
And others. I agree. I refuse to stick up for them. likewise, I refuse to be lumped in with them.
 

robustheologian

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A lot of us have addressed it. You forgot O/R and RDII.

Well forgive me for the oversight.

Cliques around here are awful. They make folks look like hypocrites.

I do agree.

The only poster I can honestly say seems to treat everyone equally unpleasantly is Van.

I most definitely agree lol.

And others. I agree. I refuse to stick up for them. likewise, I refuse to be lumped in with them.

Well that's fair brother.
 
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