Board member is wrong on abortion

[shinninglight]

First of all I am very dissappointed(in Lady Eagle) that you locked my thread so quickly. As a moderator you need to offer a balanced forum for people to debate. You are so quick in pulling the trigger that even John Wayne would have lost to you in a shootout.

"Obama kills babies". This is a crazy statement. Women who want an abortion and doctors who perform abortions kill babies. Not presidents.

Why not say that Lyndon Johnson and Tricky Dick killed 60,000 american soldiers in Vietnam, not the vietnameese. Your saying the same thing.

 

[LadyEagle]

I am locking this thread. It is against the rules to post a member's name in the name of a thread. You also need to get educated on Obama's voting record when he was a senator from Illinois. Since you are a new member here, I am cutting you some slack with this warning, but it seems what you want to contribute to this forum is flaming. Enter into a real discussion without flaming remarks towards the members here and get educated on American politics if you are serious about contributing to discussions. Thank you.

PS: Factual information about Obama is in my signature line. Check out the video. I will double check to make sure the links still work.


LE

 

[LadyEagle]

I checked my links and the first one did not work, so I have updated it. There is a video about Obama's vote as a US senator before he became president. Since he has been president he has reversed the ruling about the Mexico City policy and US tax dollars now fund abortion overseas. That was one of the first things he did after he was sworn in. He is pro-abortion and anyone who is pro-abortion and in the position to make executive orders or to make laws and promotes the pro-abortion agenda is just as guilty of murder as the butcher who uses the curet to suck an unborn baby to pieces or uses the scissors to stab the unborn baby in the back of the skull and use the curet to suck its brains out.

I am unlocking this thread now that the member's name is not used in the thread subject. (Rule #8)

If you are unhappy with my moderation of this forum, please take it up with the Webmaster or the Administrative Council.

Thank you.
LE

 

[shinninglight]

Thanks for unlocking the thread, you showed class by doing so. I would still like my thread titled " America should thank Obama!!!" to be unlocked as I was never given the chance to respond.

I still stand by my statement that its women who want an abortion and doctors that perform them who kill babies. No president or policy will stop this. If a women wants to get an abortion no government policy will stop this. We have to get real here and stop living in la la land.

I myself am against abortion, I value life over death. But I can't imagine if one was a women and was raped and got pregnant. Carrying the fetus of the rapist. What decision to make? No wonder the country is divided 50/50 on this issue. The biggest problem on the abortion issue are the women who have had multiple abortions and continue to use abortions as a form of birth control. But getting back to Obama. Lady Eagle, If you are calling Obama a butcher then you have to say the same for George W Bush for have sending your servicemen to Iraq for Oil and costing thousands of lives and casulties to both US forces and Iraqi civilians.

 

[donnA]

obama has allowed babies to be murdered by being stabbe din the head with scissors, and voted to withold medical care from newborns calling them not persons. yes, he holds some responsibility in these baby murders.
hjow anyone can defend obama and his abortion views and still claim to be against abortion I don't know, it's a total contradiction.

 

[shinninglight]

Donna states, " hjow anyone can defend obama and his abortion views and still claim to be against abortion I don't know, it's a total contradiction. "


Donna, lets get one thing straight, I'm not defending his abortion views. There is no contradiction. I just think all you people on here are so into this right vs left, Con vs Lib, garbage........and yes its garbage.....that the issue of abortion is a very very complex issue and thats why the nation has been divided on it for so long. We men should not really even be involved in this topic since its you women who have to make the decision and its women who control this process. Its you women who are divided on this topic 50/50. You need to straighten it out.

 

[matt wade]

the issue of abortion is a very very complex issue

It's not complex. It's murder pure and simple. Once you understand that, you would be as against it has the rest of us. Until then you'll continue to think it's only the woman's problem.

 

[Revmitchell]

Nothing complex about ripping children apart limb by limb or delivering them all but the head and slamming a pair of scissors in the base of the skull and sucking out the brains. It is a sick, twisted, slaughter of human life. But don't let facts confuse your personal complexity.

 

[sag38]

Come on Mitch, we folks south of shinning light's boarder are too stupid to understand. We need him to educate us and help us to think more clearly. We need his shinning light to illuminate our darkened thinking so that our minds might be changed. We need to clear the garbage out of of heads and he's just the one to do it.

 

[windcatcher]

I myself am against abortion, I value life over death. But I can't imagine if one was a women and was raped and got pregnant. Carrying the fetus of the rapist. What decision to make? No wonder the country is divided 50/50 on this issue.

Your thinking is split and it shows in this posting and the other thread which was locked:

If a woman as the result of rape is with child...... half of it is still from her........ and the origin of life is God..... so what now about her rights of choice do you defend?

Obama is the son of a white woman and a black man....... he cannot deny either no matter how hard he tries.... and in your previous thread you took the division and made a charge...... which, I believe, is against another rule on this board. As a man and a leader with mixed parentage...... he has such potential to bring unity but he has not yielded to God's purpose in his life but is pursuing his own way.

Godly people make their choices based upon the authority and the righteousness of God and not on their own feelings of justice or fairness. If God calls children precious or a blessing.... to those who receive God's word... children are a blessing.... no matter what the circumstances of their conception. If one trusts the promises of God..... He is faithful to perform his word.... it will not return void..... and to those who praise him..... He will inhabit their praise.

While you are busy establishing the contrast of your country and its policies with ours...... you should also consider the changing demographics of both and consider the impact on the stability or change which you think you observe..... yours is more restrictive regarding immigration into it..... ours has been under considerable change and impacts to its own culture, religion, social mores, political idealogies, and economics ....... largely as the result of the impact of reduced restrition which has allowed more and more people to immigrate and take residence here..... some legally and some illegally.

 

[rbell]

Donna, lets get one thing straight, I'm not defending his abortion views. There is no contradiction. I just think all you people on here are so into this right vs left, Con vs Lib, garbage........and yes its garbage.....that the issue of abortion is a very very complex issue and thats why the nation has been divided on it for so long. We men should not really even be involved in this topic since its you women who have to make the decision and its women who control this process. Its you women who are divided on this topic 50/50. You need to straighten it out.

Actually, you are defending his abortion views.

I'm sorry...what part of killing a child do you find debatable?

What a horrible, unBiblical, and demented viewpoint.

We don't need to "straighten out" anything...we need to obey God, and quit killing children; otherwise, He's gonna straighten some things out.

 

[Matt Black]

Abortion is homicide. That's your starting point. Now, there may be mitigating circumstances about the mother's condition which may, just may, mean it's manslaughter rather than murder, but it is still the unlawful (well, it jolly well should be) taking of human life.

If you don't start there, then it's like the old Irish joke about the way to Kerry.

 

[saturneptune]

First of all I am very dissappointed(in Lady Eagle) that you locked my thread so quickly. As a moderator you need to offer a balanced forum for people to debate. You are so quick in pulling the trigger that even John Wayne would have lost to you in a shootout.

"Obama kills babies". This is a crazy statement. Women who want an abortion and doctors who perform abortions kill babies. Not presidents.

Why not say that Lyndon Johnson and Tricky Dick killed 60,000 american soldiers in Vietnam, not the vietnameese. Your saying the same thing.

First of all, the man's name was President Richard Nixon. Second, the moderator to whom you refer does an excellent job.

It does not matter who pays for abortion, government or otherwise. It does not matter who is involved, the government legalizing it, the doctor or the woman or man. It is murder, and an abomination to the Lord. It is that simple. There is no black and white. If you want to debate smoking cigarettes or the like, we can debate that.

It seems to me that your logic is the same, tired old mind set of creating a difference between Republicans and Democrats, who both have allowed this national disgrace to continue for 36 years.

 

[shinninglight]

Windcatcher states, "yours is more restrictive regarding immigration into it".

Thats right windcatcher....we are more restrictive.....we just denied the martians entry..........and I can tell you they are really ticked off.

Give me a break, come to Toronto and see the world. 3 major China towns, the biggest Greek town in NA, Little India, Ukranian viillage, Carribbana etc etc

Canada was built on immigration, its the lifeblood of our country.

The US problem is all the Mexicans crossing your porous border on the Rio Grande by the hundreds of thousands over the years(I should say literally millions).

 

[shinninglight]

RBELL states, "Actually, you are defending his abortion views.

I'm sorry...what part of killing a child do you find debatable?

What a horrible, unBiblical, and demented viewpoint."

Ther you go spewing off again.

I'm not defending his abortion views, I'm just saying that he has very little control just like Bush's policies didn't stop abortions. If a women wants an abortion she will find an abortionist. There's lots out there. Even grandmothers are doing abortions and have been doing so for ages. In Canada and the US(in the 40s and 50s) it was quite common for women to go local houses were abortions were done in private by older women. Its still done today and especially in foriegn countries).

Lets get real hear folks, a women is going to do what she feels compelled to do. I hate abortion, I really do.

 

[BigBossman]

right vs left, Con vs Lib,

I don't view this issue as a Right vs. Left or Conservative vs. Liberal. Abortion is about Right vs. Wrong.

While you have stated that you yourself are opposed to abortion, one must also look at the voting records of our leaders in Washington. I garantee you if you made abortion illegal (as 1st degree murder), You wouldn't have too much of that going on. Especially, if you put a bounty on any abortion doctor's head that was caught performing one. If I were the president, I would get Roe V Wade overturned & any doctor performing an abortion would be sought out. Any of the hard to find ones would have a reward put out for their capture. This would send a strong message to the world that if you want an abortion, you'll have to go somewhere else to do it, but you won't get it done here in America.

I also believe that the women seeking an abortion are just as bad. Granted they don't make a living off of killing innocent babies, but they are co-conspirators in my book & are just as guilty.

 

[shinninglight]

I would like to hear from all the women board members on this.

Two scenario's, hypothetical but also very real.

1. A married pastor has an affair with a married congregant and gets her pregnant. Now she has do decide to go thru with it knowing full well that it will destroy two families, end a pastors career, and probally split a church. No one knows about the affair except the two of them. What does she do? Its all on her back, not the pastor. (By the way this is a scenario thats happened before in a number of situations a various denominations).

2. A married congregant gets raped and gets pregnant. What does she do? The husband(they also have 3 children) does not want the baby(very real).
Again its all on her back(not the rapist and not the husband), Does she keep the baby knowing full well it will rip her family apart?

Some people on this board are living in a dream world. These cases and many other tough situations are being played out by the thousands. Real Real tough choices. I want to hear from the women on this board how they would respond(put your self in the women above positions for just a split second).

PS. Thats why abortion is a very complex topic because the situations are complex and thats why the nation and women in particular are divided.

 

[matt wade]

1. A married pastor has an affair with a married congregant and gets her pregnant. Now she has do decide to go thru with it knowing full well that it will destroy two families, end a pastors career, and probally split a church. No one knows about the affair except the two of them. What does she do? Its all on her back, not the pastor. (By the way this is a scenario thats happened before in a number of situations a various denominations).

So you advocate murder because a pastor (or any other man for that matter) cheated on his wife? You are disgusting. By the way, someone else knows, that's Almighty God. I wouldn't expect you to know about that though.

2. A married congregant gets raped and gets pregnant. What does she do? The husband(they also have 3 children) does not want the baby(very real).
Again its all on her back(not the rapist and not the husband), Does she keep the baby knowing full well it will rip her family apart?=

Advocating murder again because some husband is a pig and has a problem? Again, you are disgusting.

Here's a scenerio for you. A congregant (since you like to talk about church members) is divorced and remarried. In the new marriage there is a step-child that is always causing problems and the congregant's new husband says that the step-child has to go or it will break apart the marriage (or in your words "rip the family apart"). I guess in your warped views the mother should murder the step-child, right? We wouldn't want the family ripped apart, would we?

Yeah, you'll come back and say this isn't the same thing. That's sad, because it is the same thing. It's murder in the womb or out of it.

 

[shinninglight]

Matt, are you a women? I was asking women to respond? I'm not advocating murder. I'm just curious how women would respond in these real life not la la land situations.


Lets hear from some real women.

 

[matt wade]

Matt, are you a women? I was asking women to respond? I'm not advocating murder. I'm just curious how women would respond in these real life not la la land situations.


Lets hear from some real women.

No I'm not a woman, but I'll speak out against abortion every time it is advocated. Unless the rules of this board preclude me from doing so (and they don't), you saying "women only" doesn't matter.