Boots on the Ground

[JonC]

Army. What about you?

Here's another question. Of the following to statements which do you believe to be true?

1. (June 2025) Trump said the three nuclear enrichment sights were obliterated and it will take years and years before they will be able to enrich Uranium again.

2. (February 2026) Iran is only a week away from having a nuclear weapon and a month away from launching it and destroying Israel.

Same (Army, Combat Engineer, retired in 2014 after 23 years)..

Both (and both exaggerated).

In 2025 (if I remember correctly) Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan were hit. In 2026 it was the Natanz enrichment installation, the Bushehr complex, and Taleghan 2 (a hardened target).

I do not trust Trump at all. But that does not mean I believe Iran should be allowed to enrich uranium beyond commercial use.

 

[canadyjd]

From a purely military perspective, the war could be won by indiscriminate bombing of all cities, all infrastructure, all oil fields. Reduce it all to ash.

Overwhelming force, massive casualties… literally bomb them back into the Stone Age.

We have that capability but, thankfully, we do not lack a moral code that prevents such destruction.

Muslims and General and Iranians in particular would dance in the streets at such wide spread slaughter of Americans, as they did on 9-11.

Peace to you

 

[JonC]

From a purely military perspective, the war could be won by indiscriminate bombing of all cities, all infrastructure, all oil fields. Reduce it all to ash.

Overwhelming force, massive casualties… literally bomb them back into the Stone Age.

We have that capability but, thankfully, we do not lack a moral code that prevents such destruction.

Muslims and General and Iranians in particular would dance in the streets at such wide spread slaughter of Americans, as they did on 9-11.

Peace to you

Yep. The only other option is to hit the oil infrastructure, utilities and hope the Iranian people oust the government.

Either way it is in nobody's best interest to allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons.

 

[Foxmeister]

Yep. The only other option is to hit the oil infrastructure, utilities and hope the Iranian people oust the government.

Either way it is in nobody's best interest to allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons.

Think outside the box for a minute about the global ramifications of hitting the oil infrastructure. You would be taking about 5% of the global oil supply out of commission for a long time. That may not seem like much, but consider China gets 45% of its oil from Iran. China becomes a bigger threat. A much bigger threat. Go back and take a look at why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

 

[xlsdraw]

Think outside the box for a minute about the global ramifications of hitting the oil infrastructure. You would be taking about 5% of the global oil supply out of commission for a long time. That may not seem like much, but consider China gets 45% of its oil from Iran. China becomes a bigger threat. A much bigger threat. Go back and take a look at why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Fear mongering

 

[JonC]

Think outside the box for a minute about the global ramifications of hitting the oil infrastructure. You would be taking about 5% of the global oil supply out of commission for a long time. That may not seem like much, but consider China gets 45% of its oil from Iran. China becomes a bigger threat. A much bigger threat. Go back and take a look at why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

It would be a lot (oil is a global market product). But other oil producing nations could make up for that 5% (and would benefit economically). Iran's oil infrastructure has been largely stagnant (apart from LNG).

But that is the delima that I was talking about earlier. If allowed, Iran woukd become the biggest threat in the world (bar none).

Allowing Iran to become the biggest threat world wide and acquire nuclear weapons that is more apt to be used so that another country does not hold that place does not make sense to me.

If Iran's oil infrastructure were destroyed other nations could very easy make up the 5% that Iran supplies. Oil is a controlled resource.

 

[Rob_BW]

Ya'll don't get mad at me, but just consider this.

Suppose America backs down, unable/unwilling to do anything they talked so boastfully about. Backing down, tying it all verbally with neat ribbons and bows. A nice retreating and yielding package that everyone accepts.

Then Israel has no friend to help in anyway at all.

Then Ezekiel 38-39 comes to pass. God spoke in these chapters of a multi-nation alliance that's going to attack Israel in the last days for the last time. Time will be up and God will destroy this coalition and feed them to the birds so says the Bible.

And....Christ will be back to rule and reign.

Who are these nations of this sick alliance? By-the-way, the Bible says there will be saved people among EVERY nation, tongue, and tribe. Not all peoples in these nations will go to hell like some people believe. But who are they?

"Gog of Magog" - I understand from reading people a whole lot smarter than me that that Gog is a person or title and not a nation. Magog is part of the old Soviet Union.
"Ethiopia" - This includes modern day Sudan who hates Israel.
"Rosh" - Includes modern day Russia.
"Persia" - You guessed it - modern day Iran who called itself Persia until the 1930's.

There are more in this alliance. Some really smart folks say Turkey, Libya, and even perhaps a small coalition from Europe that is extremely antisemitic. They - as a demonic force - begin the attack on Israel and time is up for the world.

Why do you all think America is not listed in Biblical prophecy? Where do you think America will be during these days? Waving our red, white, and blue flags?

I love my country and am thankful to live here, but America holds no place in the end times. There will be no boots on the ground in Iran. And if there might be - Iran will not be conquered by America.

We need to be concerned with the lost - the 158,000 people, according the SBC - who goes to hell every single day.

I know many will disagree, but these are my own thoughts.

As far as alliances, I see a few things, going back to right before October 7th.

The Saudi Public Investment Fund was gearing up to invest $2 Billion into Affinity Partners, So the Saudis were giving money to a Jewish American to fund businesses in Israel. This was an act that looked like it could drastically alter the Middle Eastern landscape. An Israel friendly Saudi regime, with Jordan having acted as a pseudo-ally all through the Syrian civil war, and hopes that Egypt would get it together...

Obviously, Iran couldn't have that, so they activated their proxies in Gaza and Lebanon, committed the atrocious acts of October 7th, and when Israel counterattacks, Iran has their friend China promote pro-Palestinian news throughout the world. So Persia, Russia, an increasingly hostile Turkey (Magog/Lydia), and China (Kings of the East?) seem to be lining up.

But enough end times speculation.

It could be done, but America is too politically divided. One party has an interest in America losing any military action.

Iran is kinda like East Germany, witha very large percentage of the people either work for the regime or are informants. It will take a lot of killing before the regime is downsized enough that it can be toppled from within.

 

[Foxmeister]

Point one: President Trump has made a profession of faith and I view his as one of m brothers, he listened to the Military and believed what he said. Even the Massod was fooled by their hidden assets.

What you're trying to say is Trump was fooled. Hmmm.
You claim he gave a profession of faith. When did that happen?
Trump is the most narcissistic person I have ever seen. The man glorifies himself continuously. Israel is feeding his narcissism. Trump has proven himself to be generous to those who feed his ego. I can see where it's quite easy for Trump to believe any lie Netanyahu tells him. I can see where Trump would believe any fake intelligence information Netanyahu gives him. What kind of leader does that make him?

The answer should be easy. Look at his previous administration. He appointed people to his cabinet and staff who actually knew what they were doing. Then they fired them when they didn't agree with him. Now look at this administration. He's appointed people not based on their qualifications. He appointed those who would kiss his butt.

Now tell me if Trump lied in following the first attacks on those nuclear facilities, or he lied before the attacks in February.

 

[Foxmeister]

Same (Army, Combat Engineer, retired in 2014 after 23 years)..

Both (and both exaggerated).

In 2025 (if I remember correctly) Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan were hit. In 2026 it was the Natanz enrichment installation, the Bushehr complex, and Taleghan 2 (a hardened target).

I do not trust Trump at all. But that does not mean I believe Iran should be allowed to enrich uranium beyond commercial use.

I think no country should have nuclear weapons.

 

[Ben1445]

I think no country should have nuclear weapons.

How do you think this becomes a reality?

The only way that happens is temporarily, when your enemies blow you up and themselves simultaneously. At that point, any survivors know it can be done again. There is only a defense in posturing. Peace, through superior firepower.

You may return to your unicorn birthday cake, fairy tale bedtime stories, and land of make believe.

 

[Ben1445]

Iran does not seem to be bothered by our bombing.

Is it time to send boots on the ground?
I realizes that people do not want it - but.....

In WW2 - The allies bombed Germany for 15 months
Nine months after D-Day - the war ended with unconditional surrender.

As I said people may not like the boots - BUT is that the only way to end Iran?

12 Active Divisions, 8 NG Division , 3 "divisions" = seperate BDE + 4 USMC = 27 Total Divisions
(this is not counting seperate units which are combat - ie artillery, aviation ect.

I say start with about 5 division (US) + other countries, - and lets get this mission accomplished!
With 5 divisions as backup

What say you ?

I think an airborne division of wild pigs from the south should be drafted and sent out being constantly deployed until there is an unconditional surrender.

No boots on the ground. Just a strong message that we will subject their religion rather than ourselves being subject to theirs. When their Ayatollah cannot take a step without stepping on a pig, he won’t have much more religious resolve or hope for meeting allah.

 

[th1bill]

What you're trying to say is Trump was fooled. Hmmm.
You claim he gave a profession of faith. When did that happen?
Trump is the most narcissistic person I have ever seen. The man glorifies himself continuously. Israel is feeding his narcissism. Trump has proven himself to be generous to those who feed his ego. I can see where it's quite easy for Trump to believe any lie Netanyahu tells him. I can see where Trump would believe any fake intelligence information Netanyahu gives him. What kind of leader does that make him?

The answer should be easy. Look at his previous administration. He appointed people to his cabinet and staff who actually knew what they were doing. Then they fired them when they didn't agree with him. Now look at this administration. He's appointed people not based on their qualifications. He appointed those who would kiss his butt.

Now tell me if Trump lied in following the first attacks on those nuclear facilities, or he lied before the attacks in February.

You must be the second coming f the Master... you have never made a mistake... I see now but, the President ls mortal, like me.

 

[JonC]

I think no country should have nuclear weapons.

I think dogs should be welcomed at all resort hotels.

No matter how much we wish it, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

 

[canadyjd]

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You claim he gave a profession of faith. When did that happen?

DT has stated publicly that Jesus is his Savior and Lord. Other than Mike Pence, I don’t think I e ever heard such a high level politician say that. Maybe Sarah Palin.

Trump is the most narcissistic person I have ever seen.

Well, he is a self promoter. He exaggerates constantly. I’ve also seen moments of self reflection and humility, which a true narcissist is not capable of.

The man glorifies himself continuously.

Yes he does.

Israel is feeding his narcissism.

You are speculating. You do not know the private conversations DT has with other world leaders. There have been reports of rifts between DT and Nettt.

Trump has proven himself to be generous to those who feed his ego.

And the Republicats are generous with tax paying money to those that feed their campaigns and have for 80 years.

I can see where it's quite easy for Trump to believe any lie Netanyahu tells him.

You cannot see, literally cannot see anything about the relationships DT has with Netty. You are assuming 1. Netty is lying to DT and 2. DT doesn’t have anyone in his circle that would point that out if DT didn’t catch it himself. Just utter nonsense.

I can see where Trump would believe any fake intelligence information Netanyahu gives him. What kind of leader does that make him?

Straw man. You assume the worse and ask a question based on that.

The answer should be easy. Look at his previous administration. He appointed people to his cabinet and staff who actually knew what they were doing.

He attempted to appease the Republicats in his first term by appointing people the RNC recommended. They undermined his presidency as much or more than the Dems.

Then they fired them when they didn't agree with him.

He fired them when they proved they were not only not going to implement his agenda, but intended to undermine his agenda. The POTUS gets to do that.

Now look at this administration. He's appointed people not based on their qualifications. He appointed those who would kiss his butt.

Again, utter nonsense. This cabinet is world class.

Now tell me if Trump lied in following the first attacks on those nuclear facilities, or he lied before the attacks in February.

A false choice.

Peace to you