Featured Breaking news actually old news "Early church Fathers Taught the Pre-Trib" view

Brethren, every doctrine of the church has had a history of "followers".
The Trinity took 3 centuries to be clarified and ratified by the church using a mosaic of scripture.

Studying this history one will find the remains of a great deal of error regarding the doctrine of the Trinity and (it may surprise you) bloodshed as well.

Eschatology has now become important because it is the season for it because it is IMO coming to pass.

Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

As the Coming of the Lord becomes more and more evident men will study it in an attempt to be "rightly dividing the word of truth" trying to understand all the ramifications and indeed some things about His coming which are difficult...

2 Peter 3
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

It is much easier just to condemn someone to the class of those who "wrest the scripture" than to be patient with each other and discuss our views.

In fact, (often times) it would almost seem that condemnation is the preferable method to communications in the sharing of views. Many years ago when I joined with the BB this was also part of my pool of defenses of which I have repented.

To be sure dispensationalism has had its share of kooks (trying to be kind in my choice of words) but it is "progressing" and being refined as many other doctrines of the church in the passage of time.

In times past I have cited many church fathers when I did battle with brother asterisk Tom (our resident preterist) and you can find these "discussions" in the archives.

But let me tell you much study is indeed a weariness to the flesh and neither Tom or myself want to have to go through that hassle again.
Scan the archives and save yourself the sweat and the exchange of insults (which will trouble your soul later).

Anyway, I'm hoping Tom is wrong and the Lord has yet to come (well, I know He has yet to come) and then when He does come the debate will be over and I suspect we won't even care anymore when we behold His glory.


HankD

 

You showed Scripture that you think taught a pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church but it does not. all it shows is the resurrection of believers. Absolutely nothing is said about being "snatched" out to avoid the great seven year tribulation.

 

I suspect it is because those who have been seduced by the concept of the pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church are embarrassed that the blasphemous doctrine of a "parenthesis" Church is a part of pre-trib-dispensationalism.

They should be ashamed. But you and any others should be more ashamed of their claim that they were ignorant of that doctrine. I would note that "blessedwife318" posted the following:

Others should be as honest as she is!

 

I find it interesting that no one has responded to my post where I break down the quotes showing that they don't support the Pre-Trib view as much as the OP would like them to.

 

The Scripture you posit as teaching the "snatching away" of the Church has been refuted by exegesis many times. Do you honestly believe one more time would change your mind?

 

They don't because they can't. That is their mode of operation. Ignore that which you can't refute or attack; and they don't want to attack you!

 

We will see what happens in the other thread where I just took a part Matt 24 and 25 for them.

 

Don't accuse me of saying Scripture is a lie or false! Why don't you respond to "blessedwife318"?

 

But you have not responded to the post I have done in this thread breaking down the church fathers statements

 

Sorry I missed your reply

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So I finally got a chance to be at a computer long enough to google the quotes in the OP. Interesting if you ask me to look at them in context.

Here is the first one Cyrain of Carthage

Seems like he thought they were in the midst of the tribulation that Christ Foretold. Hard to believe in a pre-trib view when you think you are in the tribulation.

The entire context makes it clear that the early departure he is talking about is death. That is why context is so important.
here is the Link

Pseudo Ephraim was a lot harder to find on Google, as most of them took me to rapture ready sites. But I did find this site that give a bit more context.

I wish I could find the entire thing but that was not coming up on google, so if someone could post a link that has the entire writings I would appreciate it.

Again death seems to be what he is talking about, unless you want to make the argument that only really ‘spiritual’ Christians will be ruptured while the rest of the ‘cardinal’ Christians will go into the tribulation.

 

I'm surprised there is no response to this yet. Or did these early church father just get taken out I'd the equation?