Breaking Story! Its Rove!

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
It's interesting that since the Downing Street memo didn't gain traction that it has dropped out of the news.

I predict that this Rove story will prove to be another blank fired by the Left and will also soon drop out of the news.

No surprise really since the media is so controlled.

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hillclimber:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
Wow! amazing cmg do you coddle treason on a daily
basis..wow you speak of this and how you are so
righteous in your ideaology but yet it is okay
for this scum to be above the law ..this is what
Karl Roves attitude is to the constitution.

wow the &lt;snipped&gt; (bushes nickname not mine)
is sooooooooo professional.

Carl Rove is not thumbing his nose at the constitution, and you fully know that. That makes you a false witness. Deu 19:16-18 Pro 6:19, 12:17, 14:5, 19:9 and many others. </font>[/QUOTE]I must say I'm a bit appauled. And nonetheless at myself. My human, knee jerk reaction is to quote verse telling many here not to sit in judgement. That duty is not ours, especially when used against our own brothers. Our righteousness is but filthy rags... </font>[/QUOTE]Dear Lady,
Christians are charged with the task of judging. We are to always confront liars, especially if they masquarade as Christians. If A-pal's discription of that photo is simply a statement coming from ignorance, that is far less evil than deliberately contriving to cause a false impression. The latter is the case here.
I don't know Rove's spiritual condition, but if he is a believer, I would not want to be found bearing false witness against him. Nor would any mature Christain.

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by hillclimber:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hillclimber:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
Wow! amazing cmg do you coddle treason on a daily
basis..wow you speak of this and how you are so
righteous in your ideaology but yet it is okay
for this scum to be above the law ..this is what
Karl Roves attitude is to the constitution.

wow the &lt;snipped&gt; (bushes nickname not mine)
is sooooooooo professional.

Carl Rove is not thumbing his nose at the constitution, and you fully know that. That makes you a false witness. Deu 19:16-18 Pro 6:19, 12:17, 14:5, 19:9 and many others. </font>[/QUOTE]I must say I'm a bit appauled. And nonetheless at myself. My human, knee jerk reaction is to quote verse telling many here not to sit in judgement. That duty is not ours, especially when used against our own brothers. Our righteousness is but filthy rags... </font>[/QUOTE]Dear Lady,
Christians are charged with the task of judging. We are to always confront liars, especially if they masquarade as Christians. If A-pal's discription of that photo is simply a statement coming from ignorance, that is far less evil than deliberately contriving to cause a false impression. The latter is the case here.
I don't know Rove's spiritual condition, but if he is a believer, I would not want to be found bearing false witness against him. Nor would any mature Christain. </font>[/QUOTE]I believe bearing false witness goes for all, as do all the commandments. Just because someone isn't a Christian is no cause to disregard that commandment. Are you saying it's ok to bear false witness against someone who is evil or bad or a liar?

And please educate me. Where is it written that Christians are charged with such a heady responsibility?

Confronting liars is a good thing. That must be why I'm so upset with our current administration.

 

[hillclimber]

T-H,
I said we should always confront liars, but if it is a Christian bearing false witness, all the more reason to question. The key word was FALSE.
Remember Paul confronting Peter, as to his Judaizing the gospel of Grace? Gal 2:11-14. We are given broad leeway in our understanding of our rights and responsibilities before God, but we must not judge those things not specifically dealt with in God's Word. Bearing False witness is specifically dealt with in God's Word.
I don't agree with all of President Bush's views. For instance his idea of border control, disagrees with my views, but are probably not scriptually within my right to judge. I question the wisdom of not racially profiling middle eastern men at all border crossings. I may express my opinion, vote against, and support different views of his policy, but I won't judge President Bush. Matt 7:1 has been blown so out of context as to render many Christian's powerless to judge sin.

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by hillclimber:
T-H,
I said we should always confront liars, but if it is a Christian bearing false witness, all the more reason to question. The key word was FALSE.
Remember Paul confronting Peter, as to his Judaizing the gospel of Grace? Gal 2:11-14. We are given broad leeway in our understanding of our rights and responsibilities before God, but we must not judge those things not specifically dealt with in God's Word. Bearing False witness is specifically dealt with in God's Word.
I don't agree with all of President Bush's views. For instance his idea of border control, disagrees with my views, but are probably not scriptually within my right to judge. I question the wisdom of not racially profiling middle eastern men at all border crossings. I may express my opinion, vote against, and support different views of his policy, but I won't judge President Bush. Matt 7:1 has been blown so out of context as to render many Christian's powerless to judge sin.

I think we are better served to judge ourselves and let our lives be the witness.

If you judge anyone, you should judge your president. It is our God given and Constitutionally given right to do so.

He waged war on Saddam Hussein because of some things he used to do and may do again; perhaps we should judge George W because of some things he used to do and could do again. He is a human being afterall, and he has been under the control of demon drugs and booze. He is nothing special, just a man. I fear too many are putting too much trust in him. Why? Because he professes to be a man of God? Because he claims God spoke to him? I just don't get it. I don't think God needs him on his side at all. In fact, I think he is giving God a bad name.

 

[hillclimber]

TisHerself, That is the problem. People do not judge themselves.

Would you prefer a non-believer for President? How about another couple terms with Clinton? You judge our President, of once being under the control of demon drugs and booze? How do you judge Moses, David, our apostle Paul? They all were murderers. Your logic is ill conceived and specious. Funny thing about being a Christian T-H, God does speak to His own through His Word.

Why on earth would you compare the pasts of Saddam to that of GWB? President Bush has given himself to the Lord and received salvation. Saddam continued in his murderous ways till the very end and would still be doing it today, were it not for our intervention. Yes GWB is a human and subject to frailties, just like you and me. I believe him to be a man seeking God and His direction. Our responsibility is to pray for those in authority over us, because they are fallible. This current administration is far more receptive to Godly council than most of our previous administrations.

You have been co-opted by that small band of extremist leftists currently controlling the Democratic Party. You should just examine their rhetoric. They hate George Bush. They haven't had any stance on any issue since GWB moved into the White House. They are a party of NO. It is their blind hatred of President Bush, simply for his acknowledgment of God, that drives them. (Ken H constantly points this out) That and the fact that they've lost both houses of Congress, the majority of Governorships, and the hearts and minds of America. Face the fact that your party has left you and you must either take it back or join the GOP or start building a new one.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
BiR, if she was a CIA operative, why doesn't the law cover her? For all we know she was a file clerk. I think that her title was analyst. I think that the law only deals with overseas undercover types but I am not sure.

Yes, CMG, you made it quite clear in another thread that you seemingly do not have a problem with the despicable Mr. Novak outing Mrs. Wilson, as you continually make the claim that she was some sort of clerk. Did you read the New York Times today? If not, then how about the Drudge Report, who has a link to a story.

From that link.

From the New York Times:
For nearly two years, the investigation into the leak of a covert C.I.A. officer's name has unfolded clamorously in the nation's capital, with partisan brawling on talk shows, prosecutors interviewing President Bush and top White House officials, and the imminent prospect that reporters could go to jail for contempt of court.
But the woman at the center of it all, Valerie E. Wilson, has kept her silence, showing the discipline and discretion that colleagues say made her a good spy. As her husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, has become a highly visible critic of the administration and promoted his memoirs, Ms. Wilson has ferried their 5-year-old twins to doctors' appointments, looked after their hilltop house in the upscale Palisades neighborhood of Washington and counseled women with postpartum depression.
On June 1, after a year's unpaid leave, Ms. Wilson, now known to the country by her maiden name, Valerie Plame, returned to a new job at the Central Intelligence Agency, determined to get her career back on track, her husband said. Neither the agency nor Mr. Wilson would describe her position, except to make what might seem an obvious point: she will no longer be working under cover, as she did successfully for almost 20 years.[emphasis mine]

[Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/politics/05wilson.html?ei=5065&en=098db82eca21fe76&ex=1121227200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print ]
That doesn't sound like a clerk to me, CMG. But you have made it clear how you feel about her, so I doubt this will change your mind about anything. As you are constantly claiming that it isn't a crime if they are not "overseas," you probably have no problem with outing her, and not only wiping out her cover but compromising anyone associated with her.

Mrs. Wilson was "one of the good guys" in the war on terror, but I suppose it is okay as long as she wasn't "overseas."

Wilson misled the public. It is clear now. He was a Republican once but turned Democrat and wrote his failed book.

Two points:
1. Seemingly, you believe that success validates someone's message.
2. Please provide where he "misled" the public.

Even the Democrats are admitting that Novak turned in all of his information.

..........and yet the despicable Mr. Novak is not the one who is facing jail, despite the fact that he is the one who actually outed Mrs. Wilson.

What gets me about Wilson is that he was in error in his report anyway--Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake. I am sure that he was just one of many sent to investigate and that his result was allowed for but Wilson acts as if he alone had the truth in the face of overwhelming evidence that he did his job and nothing more.

Where is the proof of this? Please show us where Iraq was planning to buy yellowcake uranium.

Regards,
BiR

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by hillclimber:
TisHerself, That is the problem. People do not judge themselves.

Would you prefer a non-believer for President?

TH - I don't believe Bush's actions are a witness to his being a believer. You don't have to be a believer to be led by God. If that were the case, Jesus would have had no deciples.


How about another couple terms with Clinton?

TH - As I said, you don't give God enough credit for being in control. Whomever is in office, IMHO, is the one God chose to be there and we are fools if we try to second guess God.


You judge our President, of once being under the control of demon drugs and booze? How do you judge Moses, David, our apostle Paul? They all were murderers. Your logic is ill conceived and specious.

TH - Is it? Is there no forgiveness in God's heart? You claim Bush is Lord led, yet he had those things in his past. Which is it? Do you trust in the Lord or not?

Funny thing about being a Christian T-H, God does speak to His own through His Word.

TH - I think some humility is called for. God speaks to whomever he chooses and doesn't save it all for his followers. If that were the case, he would have no followers because we came into this world without knowledge and only possessing the free will God gave us.


Why on earth would you compare the pasts of Saddam to that of GWB? President Bush has given himself to the Lord and received salvation.

TH - Would you stake your own life and salvation on that? Are you so blind that you would believe what a man tells you? Do you think there is no chance in the world that Bush could be lying about his salvation in order to manipulate you and others? Many will come in his name, using his name, and will deceive even God's chosen.

Saddam continued in his murderous ways till the very end and would still be doing it today, were it not for our intervention.

TH - Did he continue? What proof can you offer of the last dates of these transgretions?


Yes GWB is a human and subject to frailties, just like you and me. I believe him to be a man seeking God and His direction. Our responsibility is to pray for those in authority over us, because they are fallible. This current administration is far more receptive to Godly council than most of our previous administrations.


TH - Oh ye of little faith! You assume receptivity is left in the hands of man? Yes, we all have free will to believe or not, but don't you think God is more powerful than even that?

You have been co-opted by that small band of extremist leftists currently controlling the Democratic Party.

TH - I could say the same to you in all honesty. At least my eyes are open and I have seen the lies and the greed which you seem to have missed and you continue to put too much faith in man.

You should just examine their rhetoric. They hate George Bush. They haven't had any stance on any issue since GWB moved into the White House.

TH - That, my dear, is pure RW rhetoric! Of course there have been stances on issues! Just because the right keeps saying the left has no stance doesn't mean it's so!


They are a party of NO. It is their blind hatred of President Bush, simply for his acknowledgment of God, that drives them.

TH - That simply isn't so! I don't hate Bush! And I certainly wouldn't hate him for acknowledging God! And I absolutely would not fall for such a thing!!! You seem to be the one who is swallowing rhetoric whole! Bush has lied to us constantly and yet you still support him, a man, a mere man.


(Ken H constantly points this out) That and the fact that they've lost both houses of Congress, the majority of Governorships, and the hearts and minds of America.


TH - Have you seen the latest Bush figures?

Face the fact that your party has left you and you must either take it back or join the GOP or start building a new one.

TH - You assume much! I have been a card carrying Republican until now! It has been my belief in God that has opened my eyes and showed me the lies. I have not chosen another party yet.

 

[ASLANSPAL]

More wood on the fire prosecutor raised the stakes.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050705/ap_on_re_us/reporters_contempt_18

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
55 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - A federal prosecutor on Tuesday demanded that Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper testify before a grand jury investigating the leak of a CIA officer's identity, even though Time Inc. has surrendered e-mails and other documents in the probe.

Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald also opposed the request of Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller to be granted home detention — instead of jail — for refusing to reveal their sources.

Allowing the reporters home confinement would make it easier for them to continue to defy a court order to testify, he said. Special treatment for journalists may "negate the coercive effect contemplated by federal law," Fitzgerald wrote in filings with the court.s

Craig Crawford said this in his blog

07.05.2005 Craig Crawford

Matt, Do The Perp Walk Now
Matt Cooper is one of the niftiest guys I ever met in this town. And a damn good amateur stand-up comedian. But I want him to go to jail. We need this. Americans must see a reporter in handcuffs to understand what is happening to the freedom of the press. He should do a Martha Stewart and immediately volunteer to go to a minimum security facility where there will be no issue about his safety. And he should insist on a perp walk to the squad car. That picture will be as provocative and illuminating as the brave soul standing before the tank in Tiananmen Square.

crawfordslist.com

 

[KenH]

If Rove was the leaker, then why didn't the Democrats jump all over this last year to help them during the election?

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
Do you think there is no chance in the world that Bush could be lying about his salvation

Should we be questioning whether you are lying about your salvation? Is turnabout fair play?

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
If Rove was the leaker, then why didn't the Democrats jump all over this last year to help them during the election?

Ummm... because they just found out? How can one jump on something that has yet been made known to them? Or should it have been a pre-emtive jumping like that of your buddy Bushie?

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
Do you think there is no chance in the world that Bush could be lying about his salvation

Should we be questioning whether you are lying about your salvation? </font>[/QUOTE]Why would you question mine? Because my beliefs are different than yours? Have I not shown myself to be knowledgable of scripture and God's law? Look, Mr. Ken, there are plenty here who do not agree with everything you say. Friendly advice would be to get used to that fact.

In typical fanatical right wing fashion, you have managed to answer a question by not answering it... instead you pose another question.

Thanks for the welcome, by the way

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
Ummm... because they just found out?

Not according to O'Donnell. He said, "I have known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would risk me getting dragged into the grand jury."

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
Why would you question mine?

For the same reason, you are questioning Bush's. I have noticed a quite unChristlike attitude exhibited in your posts. So it just causes me to wonder about you, that's all.

Frankly, for the record, I think that both you and George W. Bush will share Heaven together with the rest of we Christians.

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
Ummm... because they just found out?

Not according to O'Donnell. He said, "I have known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would risk me getting dragged into the grand jury." </font>[/QUOTE]As I'm sure you are quite aware, before any story has legs it needs some evidentual proof or the person bringing it to light becomes the shot messenger of bad news. Besides, knowing if for months and knowing it in time for the election are two entirely different things.

 

[ASLANSPAL]

Ken since when did a 40 year old virgin start
becoming the bully of the board...why pounce
on the ladies salvation ..isn't that the limit.

The reason the Baptist Board is so successful
is because discussion and debate reign and not
bobble head confirmation.

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
Why would you question mine?

For the same reason, you are questioning Bush's. I have noticed a quite unChristlike attitude exhibited in your posts. So it just causes me to wonder about you, that's all.

Frankly, for the record, I think that both you and George W. Bush will share Heaven together with the rest of we Christians. </font>[/QUOTE]Frankly, for the record, I wasn't aware God allowed murderers into heaven. But I guess there is still time for George to confess his sins.

I am truly sorry and I appologize profusely to anyone whom I may have offended with an un-Christlike comment! Going forward, I would like it very much if my brothers and sisters here would point such things out to me

I'm all about the tough love

 

[KenH]

What's your problem, ASLANSPAL? I said that I believe that both her and Bush will be in Heaven.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
Besides, knowing if for months and knowing it in time for the election are two entirely different things.

If you say so.