Breaking Story! Its Rove!

[carpro]

Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by church mouse guy:
BiR, if she was a CIA operative, why doesn't the law cover her? For all we know she was a file clerk. I think that her title was analyst. I think that the law only deals with overseas undercover types but I am not sure.

Yes, CMG, you made it quite clear in another thread that you seemingly do not have a problem with the despicable Mr. Novak outing Mrs. Wilson, as you continually make the claim that she was some sort of clerk. Did you read the New York Times today? If not, then how about the Drudge Report, who has a link to a story.

From that link.

From the New York Times:
For nearly two years, the investigation into the leak of a covert C.I.A. officer's name has unfolded clamorously in the nation's capital, with partisan brawling on talk shows, prosecutors interviewing President Bush and top White House officials, and the imminent prospect that reporters could go to jail for contempt of court.
But the woman at the center of it all, Valerie E. Wilson, has kept her silence, showing the discipline and discretion that colleagues say made her a good spy. As her husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, has become a highly visible critic of the administration and promoted his memoirs, Ms. Wilson has ferried their 5-year-old twins to doctors' appointments, looked after their hilltop house in the upscale Palisades neighborhood of Washington and counseled women with postpartum depression.
On June 1, after a year's unpaid leave, Ms. Wilson, now known to the country by her maiden name, Valerie Plame, returned to a new job at the Central Intelligence Agency, determined to get her career back on track, her husband said. Neither the agency nor Mr. Wilson would describe her position, except to make what might seem an obvious point: she will no longer be working under cover, as she did successfully for almost 20 years.[emphasis mine]

[Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/politics/05wilson.html?ei=5065&en=098db82eca21fe76&ex=1121227200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print ]
That doesn't sound like a clerk to me, CMG. But you have made it clear how you feel about her, so I doubt this will change your mind about anything. As you are constantly claiming that it isn't a crime if they are not "overseas," you probably have no problem with outing her, and not only wiping out her cover but compromising anyone associated with her.

Mrs. Wilson was "one of the good guys" in the war on terror, but I suppose it is okay as long as she wasn't "overseas."


Regards,
BiR </font>[/QUOTE]The same article also says:

"But other former C.I.A. officers say that by 2003 Ms. Wilson's cover was already thin. Any serious inquiry would have revealed that Brewster Jennings was little more than a mailbox. Though she traveled regularly, Ms. Wilson, who speaks French, German and Greek, had been working for some time at agency headquarters in Langley, Va. And her marriage to a senior American diplomat, Mr. Wilson, ended any pretense of having no government ties."

"At that point, she looks, walks and quacks like an overt agency employee," said Fred Rustmann, a C.I.A. officer from 1966 to 1990, who supervised Ms. Wilson early in her career and calls her "one of the best, an excellent officer."


She was not undercover and no law was broken by revealing her name, regardless of who did it or why.

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
Besides, knowing if for months and knowing it in time for the election are two entirely different things.

If you say so. </font>[/QUOTE]Snappy comeback there, Kenny

Hey, you are the one who brought it up and posed it as some stupid thing the left didn't do. If you are going to bring things up I think you should be prepared for people to question what you say. Personally, I don't believe anything I'm told until I check out the facts myself.

Which brings me back to another statement you made. You assume you know why I don't like Bush and you lump me with a group I am not a part of and you were wrong on both counts. Assuming is a very, very bad habit to get into.

I still think Bush is a greedy liar and a theif. He has committed treason by lying to Congress and the American people. He has stolen from us. He has used the Lord's name in vain. Karl "Bush's Brain" Rove is cut from the same cloth. So is Dick "ILoveHalliburton" Cheney. They are all liars and theives and master manipulators who have used God's name to corupt Christianity by fooling God's people.

Prove to me none of them lied and I will reconsider the rest.

 

[TisHerself]

"She was not undercover and no law was broken by revealing her name, regardless of who did it or why."


HAHAHAHAHA! I've been waiting for the spin! Thanks so much for that

If no law was broken and there was no big deal about this, then why all the secrecy until now? Why didn't the administration point all that out before this moment? Too rich I tell you.

 

[ASLANSPAL]

"She was not undercover and no law was broken by revealing her name, regardless of who did it or why."

Oh really! then why is there a grand jury and why did Scott McClellan say whoever outed her should
be fired!


I am amazed how people will coddle treason when it
happens to be one of there heros...a person who
intent on dividing this country so he can gain
some spoils.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
Prove to me none of them lied and I will reconsider the rest.

Sorry, my liberal friend, but in these United States a person is considered innocent unless proven guilty.

Your attitude would have fit in quite well with the old Soviet Union under Stalin.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
He has committed treason by lying to Congress and the American people. He has stolen from us.

Prove it.

And such soft, reconciling language from a Christian, TH.

 

[TisHerself]

"Oh really! then why is there a grand jury and why did Scott McClellan say whoever outed her should
be fired!

I am amazed how people will coddle treason when it
happens to be one of there heros...a person who
intent on dividing this country so he can gain
some spoils."

Good stuff there!

"If by the mere force of numbers, a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution" - Abraham Lincoln

"Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry" - Thomas Jefferson

He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder. - Albert Einstein

 

[KenH]

Are you an outright pacifist, TH? If someone tried to kill you or a loved one would you just stand there and let him do it without trying to defend yourself or your loved one?

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
He has committed treason by lying to Congress and the American people. He has stolen from us.

Prove it.

And such soft, reconciling language from a Christian, TH. </font>[/QUOTE]You should really read a paper once in a while. He told Congress there was a clear and present danger in Iraq and we needed to ignore the UN and go for the jugular.

I know, I know, you are goind to say he was misled. Don't you think a person at that level should be able to discern proper information? Have you looked at all into the creature who provided said information?

As for the stealing... how many billions of dollars is it now? I've lost count. How many contractors submitted quotes for the non-military support of Iraq? Oh, yeah. I forgot... NONE!

How many people do you know that have lost their lives for these lies? Hmmm? My personal count is up to two now and I have two more cousins who are there right now.

Oh, and I couldn't care less how Christian or non-Christian you feel I am being right now since you have taken upon yourself to be so selfrighteous despite how hypocritical you have been. I have the right to behave just like you. Hard to live with yourself?

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
Are you an outright pacifist, TH? If someone tried to kill you or a loved one would you just stand there and let him do it without trying to defend yourself or your loved one?

Oh my goodness no! I'm sure I could easily kill with my bare hands if someone threatened me or mine! Have you ever seen a mad momma bear? Well, that would be me! No question in my mind! I play doormat to no one!!!


WHOOOOHOOOO!!!! That's the point, Ken!! Thanks for illustrating it so perfectly!! I couldn't have done better myself!

WE WERE NOT IN DANGER! THERE WERE NO WMD! HUSSEIN HADN'T KILLED ANYONE IN QUITE THE WHILE!!

There were many other options, but unfortunately, Bush and his cronies couldn't make any profit off peaceful means, now could they?

 

[KenH]

We would have had to deal with Hussein sooner or later. I am glad that President Bush didn't listen to the whiny liberals but did it sooner.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
I have two more cousins who are there right now.

I have a grandnephew who has just arrived in Iraq. My brother and brother-in-law both served in Vietnam. I am well acquainted with having loved ones in dangerous places.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
HUSSEIN HADN'T KILLED ANYONE IN QUITE THE WHILE!!

How do you know how recently that Hussein or his two thuggist sons had killed anyone before we removed them from power?

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
Hard to live with yourself?

Not at all. My side doesn't keep being repudiated by the voters election after election after election like they do you bunch of losers.

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
Prove to me none of them lied and I will reconsider the rest.

Sorry, my liberal friend, but in these United States a person is considered innocent unless proven guilty.

Your attitude would have fit in quite well with the old Soviet Union under Stalin. </font>[/QUOTE]Since you have stooped to insulting me, I have to assume that I have won the debate Thank you so much for your concession! A lie is a lie regardless of any country's laws. God defines a lie, no one else.

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
Hard to live with yourself?

Not at all. My side doesn't keep being repudiated by the voters election after election after election like they do you bunch of losers. </font>[/QUOTE]I take great offense to the name calling!

And for about the fourth time today, I am not a democrat.

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
We would have had to deal with Hussein sooner or later. I am glad that President Bush didn't listen to the whiny liberals but did it sooner.

I guess that makes you a warmonger just like your buddy Bushy Boy and his crew of doom.

 

[KenH]

I never said you are a Democrat. But you are a liberal. And liberals keep losing and losing and losing.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
I guess that makes you a warmonger

You betcha.

 

[TisHerself]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
HUSSEIN HADN'T KILLED ANYONE IN QUITE THE WHILE!!

How do you know how recently that Hussein or his two thuggist sons had killed anyone before we removed them from power? </font>[/QUOTE]That's the point, Mr. Holierthanthou... no one does, do they? The only one I see doing any killin now is BUSH THE WARMONGER!