British Pensioner 78, Arrested For Murder Against Home Intruders

[Reynolds]

What has been discussed is not self defence.

Nope its not self defence. We are in USA so it's self defense.

 

[TCassidy]

LOL!

 

[Reynolds]

I am not a "peace officer" and never have been and my training was somewhat different. Being a correctional officer, I am required, not allowed to, but required to use deadly force in the event of an attempted escape if it appears that recapture is not imminent.. But I am also allowed to use deadly force to prevent bodily harm to myself or others. Using deadly force does not mean that you have to kill, but have to shoot..

I don't even carry a weapon often, just in the case of prisoner transport. I have many times worn a pistol while sitting outside the door of a hospital room occupied by an inmate. One officer is in the room armed only with pepper foam and a riot baton, and the other is outside the door with a 357 magnum. The outside officer is to never enter the room, no matter what happens, and must be aware that he is the very last line of defense for the hospital staff against a dangerous criminal getting loose among them. It is his duty to bring down the inmate if he in the process of defeating, or does defeat, the officer in the room. Under no circumstances will the inmate be allowed to leave the room, even if he takes the inside officer hostage. Whether or not the inmate is armed makes no difference and we are always to aim center mass.

The only other time I am equipped with weapons is working a perimeter tower or perimeter patrol. I am equipped with a 12 guage shotgun, an AR 15 and the 357 magnum. The responsibilty there is the same as a transport, I am required to use deadly force in the event of an attempted escape if it appears that recapture is not imminent.

If I do not do my duty, I am certainly subject to termination, and in some circumstances subject to prosecution. What that means is that , if I draw my weapon in the line of duty, there is a pretty good chance someone is going to get shot. We don't arrest anyone. Of course, that doesn't mean I can legally shoot an inmate who has stopped his escape attempt and is allowing himself to be recaptured.

I would be charged with murder.

I believe y'all have more officer friendly laws than we do. We are never in writing commanded to shoot anyone. We are authorized to, but not commanded or required. We used to be automatically be authorized to shoot fleeing sentenced felons. It then changed to sentenced forcible felons. I am not sure what it is now. I just operated under means, opportunity, and jeopardy.

 

[HankD]

Who is the bearer of the sword? The Ruler.

And his "ministers" - Law Enforcement and Military.

I am a USAF veteran and part of the militia of the United States of America.

In fact ANY armed citizen of the United sates continues part of the armed militia.

I am ready and able (for the most part, I am 75) to do my duty when called upon.

 

[Benjamin]

Quote what is said accurately next time.

I didn't quote anybody, I said "supposedly" get your facts right next time and address the issues instead of me.

Your reply to me wherein your [Edit:The person who continually cheers you on and likes to boast you are the winner] supported you taking opposition to my view in the extreme as you boasted about proper "expert" training protocol and what it consisted of is on full display a couple pages back and I trust the average reader to be able to comprehend and discern for himself if someone is not being honest and resorting to personal attacks to defend their position rather than addressing the issues.

EDIT: Example:

You are again either demonstrating first grade level reading comprehension or being intentionally dishonest.

 

[Reynolds]

I didn't quote anybody, I said "supposedly" get your facts right next time and address the issues instead of me.

My facts are right. You summarized our statements. You did so falsely.

 

[Benjamin]

You all seem to be future murderers rather than Christians.

Gee, I wonder where he got this impression from???

Now, some might understand why I stepped up to addressed rhetoric here to keep it in check...Hmm

 

[carpro]

I believe y'all have more officer friendly laws than we do. We are never in writing commanded to shoot anyone. We are authorized to, but not commanded or required. We used to be automatically be authorized to shoot fleeing sentenced felons. It then changed to sentenced forcible felons. I am not sure what it is now. I just operated under means, opportunity, and jeopardy.

Perhaps, but the job is entirely different. We aren't dealing with suspects, but convicted felons. Our job is first and foremost to protect the public by keeping them incarcerated.

And we must always remember, any use of deadly force has to be justified to the satisfaction of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice that employs us and writes the policies. They will have to defend us if it goes to court, and they won't hesitate to throw you to the wolves if there is any doubt.

 

[Reynolds]

Perhaps, but the job is entirely different. We aren't dealing with suspects, but convicted felons. Our job is first and foremost to protect the public by keeping them incarcerated.

And we must always remember, any use of deadly force has to be justified to the satisfaction of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice that employs us and writes the policies. They will have to defend us if it goes to court, and they won't hesitate to throw you to the wolves if there is any doubt.

I was speaking more of how we handled inmates in the county jail. The state takes its precious time picking them up.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

 

[ChrisTheSaved]