Bush and Cheney's Iraq lies killed more Americans than Brian Williams' blunder

[Crabtownboy]

As despicable and self-serving as Williams lie about the helicopter is in the final analysis it did not cost any American soldiers life. This is quite different from the lies Bush, Cheney and others made that cost thousands of lives of American soldiers and the tens of thousands of young Americans whose life was ruined by catastrophic wounds.

While it's expected that Williams will face serious repercussions for his actions, they pale in comparison to the lies that preceded him by the Bush administration. Conservative critics were quick to attack Williams for his Iraq War lie, but defended those told by George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the entire administration. According to a 2008 joint study by the Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism, the Bush administration made 935 false statements about Iraq in just the two years that followed the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Bush's false statement about Iraq having Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) gets most of the press, but the report shows that he made "232 false statements about Iraq and former leader Saddam Hussein's possessing weapons of mass destruction, and 28 false statements about Iraq's links to al Qaeda." Other top members of the administration also made their fair share of false statements.

Former Secretary of State Colin Powel was recorded as making 244 false statements about WMDs and 10 about Iraq and their link to al Qaeda. Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Press Secretary Ari Fleischer made over 100 false statements each, with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice also making the list.

Other lies pushed by the Bush administration include a solid link between Iraq and al-Qaeda, in which they also asserted that Iraq was training members of al-Qaeda in bomb making. During a Feb. 8 interview in 2003, Bush stated that Iraq had "chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." None of these claims were ever backed up with evidence.

As of September 2014, 4,486 American soldiers died in Iraq, with another 2,345 soldiers dying in the war in Afghanistan. In addition, one million soldiers were wounded in both combined wars. The price tag for these two wars could cost American taxpayers up to $6 trillion dollars, according to research done at Harvard University. The lies pushed by the Bush administration have had a devastating effect on the lives of millions of people.

http://www.examiner.com/article/bus...ed-more-americans-than-brian-williams-blunder

 

[InTheLight]

CTB, I know you know better. There is no linkage between Brian Williams lie and the deaths of soldiers in Iraq. Furthermore, a lie is knowingly telling an untruth (Williams). A mistake is saying something based on information that later proves to be wrong (Bush).

How about I make a similar comparison to the style of the title of your thread?

Obama's lies got more people kicked off of their health care plans than monarch butterflies eaten by barn swallows last year.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Then there's all the democrats telling the same lie Bush did, before Bush did.

 

[PreachTony]

As despicable and self-serving as Williams lie about the helicopter is in the final analysis it did not cost any American soldiers life. This is quite different from the lies Bush, Cheney and others made that cost thousands of lives of American soldiers and the tens of thousands of young Americans whose life was ruined by catastrophic wounds.

I tried to stop myself...really, I did...

Alright, CTB, do you also accuse Hillary Clinton and Harry Reid of lying? They both voted for the Iraq War. Guess what, they voted based on intelligence gathered by outside sources, not personally gathered by Bush and Cheney. Why it gets your jollies up to accuse only conservative politicians of lying, I'll never know. Remember, though, that the deficiencies in the international intelligence community are, in many ways, a direct result of the policies of Jamie Gorelick, who under Bill Clinton built up walls separating the various foreign intelligence communities from effectively gathering information.

 

[just-want-peace]

Do not cast your pearls before swine!!!!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

We also see a pretty hateful statement saying those wounded in battle have had their lives ruined.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Over a period of time Bush and his advisers knew they were lieing, but by then they were far into the mess that politically they could not starty telling the truth.

"In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003," reads an overview of the examination, conducted by the Center for Public Integrity and its affiliated group, the Fund for Independence in Journalism.

According to the study, Bush and seven top officials -- including Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of State Colin Powell and then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice -- made 935 false statements about Iraq during those two years.

The study was based on a searchable database compiled of primary sources, such as official government transcripts and speeches, and secondary sources -- mainly quotes from major media organizations.

The study says Bush made 232 false statements about Iraq and former leader Saddam Hussein's possessing weapons of mass destruction, and 28 false statements about Iraq's links to al Qaeda.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/23/bush.iraq/

http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274/ten_appalling_lies_we_were_told_about_iraq

http://www.globalresearch.ca/twenty-lies-about-the-iraq-war/5327386

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Over a period of time Bush and his advisers knew they were lieing, but by then they were far into the mess that politically they could not starty telling the truth.

When you gonna starty addressing some of the points made, so far ?

Would that mean you would have to starty telling the truth as well ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

What really happened was the democrats demanded the war for 8 years, then turned against it because they were upset over the 2000 election.

Crabtownboy had been trying to re-write history for a long time with his whacko websites & his partisan myopia.

Everyone knows the democrats wanted the war, continued the war, and never stopped funding the war, even when they could have.

 

[Crabtownboy]

What really happened was the democrats demanded the war for 8 years, then turned against it because they were upset over the 2000 election.

Crabtownboy had been trying to re-write history for a long time with his whacko websites & his partisan myopia.

Everyone knows the democrats wanted the war, continued the war, and never stopped funding the war, even when they could have.

Off topic as usual. This thread is about the lies of the Bush administration.

We all know they lied and their lies cost thousands of lives and tens of thousands of lives ruined. Some will simply not admit that.

 

[Crabtownboy]

What really happened was the democrats demanded the war for 8 years, then turned against it because they were upset over the 2000 election.

Crabtownboy had been trying to re-write history for a long time with his whacko websites & his partisan myopia.

Everyone knows the democrats wanted the war, continued the war, and never stopped funding the war, even when they could have.

Off topic as usual. This thread is about the lies of the Bush administration.

We all know they lied and their lies cost thousands of lives and tens of thousands of lives ruined, close to 200,000. Some will simply not admit that.

Bain is one of about 755,000 veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Of that group, the VA says more than 181,000 are collecting disability benefits.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/11/number-of-disabled-vets-u_n_101183.html

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Off topic as usual. This thread is about the lies of the Bush administration.

Nope. This thread blames the entire war on Bush. Refuting that is not off-topic.

We all know they lied and their lies cost thousands of lives and tens of thousands of lives ruined, close to 200,000. Some will simply not admit that.

Even worse, some will out and out lie about out for purely political reasons.

 

[Aaron]

Why do you all insist on feeding the troll?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5p-qIq32m8

 

[Crabtownboy]

Nope. This thread blames the entire war on Bush. Refuting that is not off-topic.

Who was President? Who proposed we go to war. Who gave the command for war to begin? Bush.

Truman, among other things was honest. The sign on his desk said, "The buck stops here".

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...ZMI399t7st0f7I-mZK0cFJ8KDthFn14HI2A1tChPj0lzw

Even worse, some will out and out lie about out for purely political reasons.

Yep, I agree Bush was good at that also as was Cheney.

 

[PreachTony]

Who was President? Who proposed we go to war. Who gave the command for war to begin? Bush.

Truman, among other things was honest. The sign on his desk said, "The buck stops here".

Yep, I agree Bush was good at that also as was Cheney.

You make it sound as though Bush signed an executive order for our soldiers to go into Iraq. He at least sought Congressional approval, meaning if Bush is a liar then all of Congress is a liar too.

 

[poncho]

You make it sound as though Bush signed an executive order for our soldiers to go into Iraq. He at least sought Congressional approval, meaning if Bush is a liar then all of Congress is a liar too.

They all serve the same banking and corporate interests. Who always benefit from war.

Washington's wars have nothing to do with protecting our freedom as you might have noticed our freedoms are disappearing faster with each new war and these wars have nothing to do with liberating the oppressed as you might have noticed the oppressed we "liberate" usually end up dead during the resultant civil wars our invasions and occupations cause.

But it makes for good PR and sells wars better than saying "we want to destroy their infrastructure and control their resources".

As Brzezinski says in his book "The Grand Chessboard", "democracy is inimical to imperial pursuits" in other words it takes big lies to start wars of conquest in a democracy.

And that's what Washington's wars are after you strip away all the fear mongering and red white and blue propaganda. Wars of conquest.

It doesn't get any more un-American than that.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Who was President?

Bush.

Who proposed we go to war.

The democrats did for for 8 years, then Bush, along with his democrat congress. How many times do I have to answer these things for you ?

Who gave the command for war to begin?

Congress declares war. A president does not just command that troops go to war.

Bush.

Tree.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You make it sound as though Bush signed an executive order for our soldiers to go into Iraq. He at least sought Congressional approval, meaning if Bush is a liar then all of Congress is a liar too.

No, Bush lied to Congress. Go listen to his speech justifying the invasion.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) criticized former Vice President Dick Cheney and blamed "those who supported the Iraq War" for the current crisis in the country in an interview with NBC's David Gregory Friday.

Gregory asked Paul about the op-ed co-authored by Dick Cheney and his daughter, Liz that blasted President Barack Obama's handling of the Iraqi crisis and his foreign policy as a whole.

Paul said the same questions raised by Cheney in his op-ed could be asked of those who supported the original decision to invade Iraq. He also said he didn't blame Obama for the current crisis, pointing the finger at Cheney and other supporters of the Iraq War for the current Middle East chaos — and for "emboldening Iran."



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-iraq-obama-cheney-bush-iran-2014-6#ixzz3RHEio4mK

Like clockwork, the Republican noise machine is blaming Barack Obama for the crisis in Iraq. And like clockwork, they’ve got everything wrong again.

The man to blame for what’s happening in Iraq is not President Obama — it’s President Bush.

Contrary to Tony Blair’s latest protestations, the U.S./U.K. invasion of Iraq — under deliberately fraudulent pretenses – had a great deal to do with enabling the current emergence of a Sunni terrorist military power in Iraq, but it goes much deeper than that. The recent success of ISIS — the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria — is exactly what Osama bin Laden had hoped that the 9/11 attacks would lead to. And thanks to Bush’s spectacularly foolish responses, bin Laden’s dream has come true.

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/16/sorry_george_w_bush_but_this_whole_mess_is_still_your_fault/

 

[poncho]

Some things never change Crabby,

Water is wet, the sky is blue, and politicians lie but getting one to admit their favored politician tells lies for the benefit of his/her cronies is next to impossible.

We all know it to be true but admitting it would be like admitting we're dumb enough to believe their lies over and over again.

Take you for example. You and I both know Bush lied about many things but would you be willing to admit Obama lied about many things as well?