Business over the Bible?

[Harold Garvey]

This isn't a church. It's a business. Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. Even if they come back and apologize later.

this is a quote from another discussion.

No, I am not trying to reopen that discussion, I just find the modern mindset thinking that a business has higher authority in a Christian environment to be a weebit confusing.

No, I am not questioning the BB rules.

I know, I know, some one will come in and say, "Well that's the rules!" But isn't this just another example of how far Christians are willing to take their rules and place them above the word of God?

 

[Mexdeaf]

this is a quote from another discussion.

No, I am not trying to reopen that discussion, I just find the modern mindset thinking that a business has higher authority in a Christian environment to be a weebit confusing.

No, I am not questioning the BB rules.

I know, I know, some one will come in and say, "Well that's the rules!" But isn't this just another example of how far Christians are willing to take their rules and place them above the word of God?

What's your point? That we shouldn't have rules on the BB or that if there are rules that are broken we should ignore it in the name of "Christianity"?

 

[gb93433]

this is a quote from another discussion.

No, I am not trying to reopen that discussion, I just find the modern mindset thinking that a business has higher authority in a Christian environment to be a weebit confusing.

Christ should be both lord of the local church and lord of the local businessman.

If a person threatened me with trouble I would quickly call the police no matter where I am. That person would quickly know he is not welcome. He would know what I think of him.

If a false teacher comes to your church you are not to welcome him and not even give him a greeting.

 

[Harold Garvey]

What's your point? That we shouldn't have rules on the BB or that if there are rules that are broken we should ignore it in the name of "Christianity"?

Ok, so you think the rules of business have authority over the Bible? You just slammed Christianity by your response.

Christianity is to hold a much higher standard than business and businesses which claim to be Christian ought to abide by the Bible more than any other busniess.

 

[gb93433]

Ok, so you think the rules of business have authority over the Bible? You just slammed Christianity by your response.

Christianity is to hold a much higher standard than business and businesses which claim to be Christian ought to abide by the Bible more than any other business.

A business will accept the money from a troublemaker. Churches are not to give troublemakers a welcome. They destroy much. Read the book of 2 John.

 

[donnA]

apparently someone doesn't mind breaking rules and doesn't like it when told there are rules we must live by. Nowhere does scripture give us permission to break rules that we already agreed too, that in and of themselves do not contradict scripture.
The bb is privately owned, the owner makes the rules, if we don't like the rules we are free to post elsewhere.

 

[DHK]

Every business I know has rules.
Many of them have a dress code. Whether it be a fast food service, a sales company, or a large corporation, most don't accept women with mini skirts and halter tops. Most don't accept shorts and tank tops for men. They have rules for dress and conduct. They have rules as far as what you can do--sharing of information, trade secrets, etc.

There are rules in churches. Every church has a constitution, by-laws, and a statement of faith. Some even have a church covenant.
If you don't want to abide by the rules (either the business or the church) you can go somewhere else. That is only common sense.

People who deny the trinity are not welcome here. Neither are cults like J.W.'s, Mormons, Church of Scientology; nor major world religions like Islam and Hinduism. Those are the rules--some of them. This is not a "free-for-all" website. It never was. That is why, when you signed up you agreed to read and abide by the rules when you hit that "I agree" button. The rules are at the bottom of every page for all to read and refresh their memories. The rules are guided by Biblical Principles and therefore your title for this thread is misleading. It is not Business over the Bible. That is wrong. It is business along with the Bible. The two go hand in hand. One is not over the other. We glorify God in all that we do. In all the business that we do the Bible is our guide.

1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Ok, so you think the rules of business have authority over the Bible? You just slammed Christianity by your response.

Christianity is to hold a much higher standard than business and businesses which claim to be Christian ought to abide by the Bible more than any other busniess.

Yup, a Christian who is banned from posting should honor the ban.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. No one has a right to post here. We are all here at the owner's discretion. He could boot us all off of here tomorrow if he wanted to.

Speaking from many years of dealing with people in business- the worst people to deal with in business (by far) are the "Christians". I have been lied to and cheated by "professing Christians" far more than by folks who were not.

That reminds me, have you ever heard the joke about the Baptist deacon... :laugh:

 

[Salty]

Speaking from many years of dealing with people in business- the worst people to deal with in business (by far) are the "Christians". I have been lied to and cheated by "professing Christians" far more than by folks who were not.... :laugh:

I totally agree. I entered into a major contract with a Baptist preacher on a large business venture, and he totally ingored the contract as well as Biblical standards. And did I pay for it...

 

[donnA]

Every business I know has rules
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There are rules in churches
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There are rules driving a car, rules for public behavior, rules in the other places we visit, schools, stores, hospitals, peoples homes, our own home.
Rules help create and maintain order, when people will follow them, when they do not there are going to be consequences.

Yup, a Christian who is banned from posting should honor the ban.

anything else is dishonest.

 

[Harold Garvey]

apparently someone doesn't mind breaking rules and doesn't like it when told there are rules we must live by. Nowhere does scripture give us permission to break rules that we already agreed too, that in and of themselves do not contradict scripture.
The bb is privately owned, the owner makes the rules, if we don't like the rules we are free to post elsewhere.

I knew somebody would say this, but doesn't the title Baptist Board give the indication of at least being a Christian forum?

No one is talking about anyone breaking the rules.

In case you didn't notice, this thread is about whether a "Christian" business should stick with the Bible in all matters of how it is run.

If people cannot keep this on topic without making reference to their pet pieve then please find the door marked "exit"

 

[Harold Garvey]

A business will accept the money from a troublemaker. Churches are not to give troublemakers a welcome. They destroy much. Read the book of 2 John.

I fully agree, but are you suggesting this about Will Kinney being a troublemaker? If so, why? Did he challenge your thinking or did he just cause trouble?

I've read the Bible throughout and agree with you.

I know BB isn't "church", but why dont Christians live the same way in and out of church? Does that NOT indicate a double-standard?

Since it happens more often than not it is no wonder the lost world has so many founded accusations againt the church because Christians lead double lives: they have one standard for the church and a very low standard for their being in the world and not of the world. Agree?

 

[Harold Garvey]

Every business I know has rules.
Many of them have a dress code. Whether it be a fast food service, a sales company, or a large corporation, most don't accept women with mini skirts and halter tops. Most don't accept shorts and tank tops for men. They have rules for dress and conduct. They have rules as far as what you can do--sharing of information, trade secrets, etc.

There are rules in churches. Every church has a constitution, by-laws, and a statement of faith. Some even have a church covenant.
If you don't want to abide by the rules (either the business or the church) you can go somewhere else. That is only common sense.

People who deny the trinity are not welcome here. Neither are cults like J.W.'s, Mormons, Church of Scientology; nor major world religions like Islam and Hinduism. Those are the rules--some of them. This is not a "free-for-all" website. It never was. That is why, when you signed up you agreed to read and abide by the rules when you hit that "I agree" button. The rules are at the bottom of every page for all to read and refresh their memories. The rules are guided by Biblical Principles and therefore your title for this thread is misleading. It is not Business over the Bible. That is wrong. It is business along with the Bible. The two go hand in hand. One is not over the other. We glorify God in all that we do. In all the business that we do the Bible is our guide.

1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Isn't forgiveness also in what all we do and unto all for the honor and glory of God?

To claim equality to set of rules with the Bible and omit some rules found therein is not "hand in hand" now is it?

I understand the "I agree" button completely, but what you just said proves what the title suggests.:tear:

 

[Harold Garvey]

Yup, a Christian who is banned from posting should honor the ban.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. No one has a right to post here. We are all here at the owner's discretion. He could boot us all off of here tomorrow if he wanted to.

I suppose you cannot talk about the issue at hand and have to keep dredging up mud to keep slinging it all over the internet.

Speaking from many years of dealing with people in business- the worst people to deal with in business (by far) are the "Christians". I have been lied to and cheated by "professing Christians" far more than by folks who were not.

That reminds me, have you ever heard the joke about the Baptist deacon... :laugh:

Exactly the purpose of this thread, to show professing Christians the need to adhere to the Bible mandates in business as well as personal lives, but it seems more and more the aspect of rules governing business are placed within the owners hands and left to their personal discretion and apart from the Bible.

And as far as your joke? Slandering deacons isn't beyond you either is it?

 

[Harold Garvey]

There are rules driving a car, rules for public behavior, rules in the other places we visit, schools, stores, hospitals, peoples homes, our own home.
Rules help create and maintain order, when people will follow them, when they do not there are going to be consequences.
anything else is dishonest.

And guess just where all those rules originated?:applause:

 

[rbell]

this is a quote from another discussion.

No, I am not trying to reopen that discussion, I just find the modern mindset thinking that a business has higher authority in a Christian environment to be a weebit confusing.

No, I am not questioning the BB rules.

I fully agree, but are you suggesting this about Will Kinney being a troublemaker? If so, why? Did he challenge your thinking or did he just cause trouble?

I know BB isn't "church", but why dont Christians live the same way in and out of church? Does that NOT indicate a double-standard?

Quote #2 proves that your quote #1 was not genuine in intent.

 

[just-want-peace]

Quote #2 proves that your quote #1 was not genuine in intent.

I'm still trying to decipher the point of the OP!

The ensuing posts, muddy, rather than clarify, the intent.

Oh well - I've known several folks who just love to hear the sound of their gums slapping together; regardless of the output.:BangHead:

 

[Mexdeaf]

I suppose you cannot talk about the issue at hand and have to keep dredging up mud to keep slinging it all over the internet.


Exactly the purpose of this thread, to show professing Christians the need to adhere to the Bible mandates in business as well as personal lives, but it seems more and more the aspect of rules governing business are placed within the owners hands and left to their personal discretion and apart from the Bible.

And as far as your joke? Slandering deacons isn't beyond you either is it?

Harold, a proverb for you- my dad used to say it all the time and I try to practice it-

Engage brain before putting mouth in gear.

It saves a lot of face. And I say that kindly.

 

[Gina B]

I have no idea what you are referring to as far as something that may have happened on this board, but you did bring up an interesting topic!

The idea of the "corporate church" is one that leaves me feeling unsettled.

The idea of a Christian business that operates on business principles rather than Biblical ones leaves me feeling unsettled.

Both are a problem. The church is not a business that should be run according to principles and ideas set forth by secular businesses that often have their rules rooted in psychological studies and principles of greed.

Christianity is both intensely personal and intensely universal. IF a person follows the Bible, then there should really be no conflict when a group of Christians all get together, if all of them, individually, are acting as Christians.

But people don't. When they don't, we don't sink to their level. We do what we can to bring them back to the right, and if they won't have it, then aren't we supposed to keep them under biblical discipline...repent before you can participate fully again in the church?

I don't see these rules as being separate from the church. Church is always. Christianity is always. It isn't confined to the rest period we take in a building on Sundays to be refreshed and away from the world. It's who and what we are, seven days and nights a week.

Shouldn't it be?

 

[sag38]

Good job Gina. Harold likes to pick fights and then play the martyr. The truth seems to be something that evades him. At some point in time I suspect that we will see "banned" written below his name. After all, that's what generally happens to someone who is always right and everyone else is wrong.