Bye, Bye Norm

[carpro]

What other kind of Christian is there?

The kind that walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

How 'bout you? Do you support placing the likes of Franken in the Senate?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

The kind that walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

And aren't they "self proclaimed"?

How 'bout you? Do you support placing the likes of Franken in the Senate?

First, I don't know the veracity of these accusations, since I haven't seen source material. The PDF link is to a group with an agenda. Show me the original manuscripts. Secondly, the senate seat is a secular position, not a theological one. Thirdly, Franken is not a Christian, so why should he be expected to hold to Christianity. Fourthly, his politics are way closer to mine than Coleman's. Fifthly, I don't live in Minnesota, so it matters not.

 

[carpro]

carpro wrote:
How 'bout you? Do you support placing the likes of Franken in the Senate?

And aren't they "self proclaimed"?

First, I don't know the veracity of these accusations, since I haven't seen source material. The PDF link is to a group with an agenda. Show me the original manuscripts. Secondly, the senate seat is a secular position, not a theological one. Thirdly, Franken is not a Christian, so why should he be expected to hold to Christianity. Fourthly, his politics are way closer to mine than Coleman's. Fifthly, I don't live in Minnesota, so it matters not.

Is that a "yes"?

 

[rbell]

And aren't they "self proclaimed"?

First, I don't know the veracity of these accusations, since I haven't seen source material. The PDF link is to a group with an agenda. Show me the original manuscripts. Secondly, the senate seat is a secular position, not a theological one. Thirdly, Franken is not a Christian, so why should he be expected to hold to Christianity. Fourthly, his politics are way closer to mine than Coleman's. Fifthly, I don't live in Minnesota, so it matters not.

Come, now...the material I showed gives quotes. If they are lying about Franken, don't you think there would be a lawsuit? Let's not be obtuse with this.

Secondly...the point is not the electability of Franken, it is that a Christian would be bragging about consuming the filth that Franken puts out.

Thirdly, no one asks Franken to act like a Christian. But it doesn't mean he has to be an outspoken blasphemous pervert, either. Not only does he not know the Lord, but he has no sense of class, decorum, or decency. Someone such as yourself I'm quite certain values those things...and I would hope it would bother you to see a state putting such a morally deficient person in such a position of leadership.

Finally...whether you live in Minnesota is immaterial. We should all be concerned when any state chooses this poorly. Would you really make the same statements if a self-avowed member of the KKK was elected from another state? I think not.

MP, I respect your viewpoints...frankly, much more than Dragonfly's. But I think you're pretty far off-base with this one. To be blunt, I don't like Norm Coleman. But when it comes to the issues of creepiness, classlessness, and debauchery, he's not in Franken's league. They haven't elected a liberal (we think they elected...); they have elected a blasphemous pervert.

And Dragonfly celebrates this guy's material. That's sad indeed...If Dragonfly is being facetious about this, he needs to learn that some subject matters are inappropriate for joking about (maturity issue). If he's serious, then he has a significant problem with filling his mind with filth (character issue).

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Is that a "yes"?

No, it is a moot point. He doesn't represent my state. I'll leave it to the good folks in Minnesota to select the candidate they feel best represents their interests. I have Bennet & Udall. They handle my interests just fine, thank you.

 

[carpro]

No, it is a moot point.

I take it as a yes.

Pity, really.

Just can't seem to take a principled Christian stand on anything to do with politics, can you?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Come, now...the material I showed gives quotes. If they are lying about Franken, don't you think there would be a lawsuit? Let's not be obtuse with this.

No, because there is a different legal standard for politicians in the public arena. That is why the lying attack ads are not stopped in court.

Secondly...the point is not the electability of Franken, it is that a Christian would be bragging about consuming the filth that Franken puts out.

I haven't seen such words from Franken. I have read his books, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, and Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Idiot, several years back, but don't offhand recall such language in either. He doesn't pull punches, but I don't recall attacks on Christianity.

Thirdly, no one asks Franken to act like a Christian. But it doesn't mean he has to be an outspoken blasphemous pervert, either. Not only does he not know the Lord, but he has no sense of class, decorum, or decency. Someone such as yourself I'm quite certain values those things...and I would hope it would bother you to see a state putting such a morally deficient person in such a position of leadership.

I think Franken speaks his mind. While if his comments on Christianity are factual, it is over the top. But it doesn't negate any good points he may have. We all have some.

Finally...whether you live in Minnesota is immaterial. We should all be concerned when any state chooses this poorly.

Yep...like when Texas had DeLay, or Mississippi had Trent Lott in office. Or worse, people like Larry what's his name from Idaho, who loved the airport in MN. Or Foley. Or Barney Frank. Or Vitter. Or many others from both parties.

Would you really make the same statements if a self-avowed member of the KKK was elected from another state? I think not.

I would say they have a right to run, but hopefully the people would not elect such a person. I seem to recall David Duke a KKK Grand Wizard running and winning some office in Louisiana. Sad.

MP, I respect your viewpoints...frankly, much more than Dragonfly's. But I think you're pretty far off-base with this one. To be blunt, I don't like Norm Coleman. But when it comes to the issues of creepiness, classlessness, and debauchery, he's not in Franken's league. They haven't elected a liberal (we think they elected...); they have elected a blasphemous pervert.

Could be. Like I said, I have not seen first hand documentation of such. I can be swayed by primary evidence.

 

[hillclimber1]

What other kind of Christian is there?

Well for me and mine, the kind that reads God's Word, and believes, and knows that men like Al Franken do not love God, and the things he says and stands for, are opposed to Christ, who lives in me and testifies to me.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I take it as a yes.

Pity, really.

Just can't seem to take a principled Christian stand on anything, can you?

Are personal attacks allowed on this board? We shall see.

However, I don't equate my Christian views with politics.

 

[rbell]

Like I said, I have not seen first hand documentation of such. I can be swayed by primary evidence.

Some of the comments about Jesus and his skeleton are found in Franken's 1999's book Why Not Me?

Here's a more direct link, without, as you say, such an "agenda:"

Franken also wrote a Saturday Night Live monologue for Jesus Christ that appeared in a magazine. After poking fun at Christians' belief that Jesus was both God and man, he had Christ speculate on having the hots for Mary Magdalene:
"If Mary Magdalene looked like Barbara Hershey, I might have thought twice about this celibacy thing. I mean, the real Mary Magdalene was about four foot two, 135 pounds. And with bad teeth yet."
In Franken's world, God has a mouth as foul as Franken's. In one book, he has God refer to books about liberal media bias as "total ********." Later, he describes God as having his head "up his ***."
But Franken saves his sharpest barbs for those weirdos, Catholics.
In 2006, he and a guest on his Air America radio show joked about Eucharistic communion wafers -- sacred to Catholics as the body of Christ -- and compared them to chips and guacamole. In "Dog Confessional," a proposed sketch for Saturday Night Live, Franken depicted "a series of dogs, played by cast members, confessing to a priest," according to the Washington Post. NBC refused to air it.

SOURCE

I'll find more direct stuff later today.

 

[carpro]

However, I don't equate my Christian views with politics.

That's evident.

You put your Christianity in a box and keep it away from politics. Neat trick.

Is it biblical?

 

[carpro]

Some of the comments about Jesus and his skeleton are found in Franken's 1999's book Why Not Me?

Here's a more direct link, without, as you say, such an "agenda:"



SOURCE

I'll find more direct stuff later today.

You're wasting your time.

 

[hillclimber1]

IMHO, Christians don't have the luxury of putting anything outside Christ... Everything we do, should be to the glory of God. I can't put the viewing of porno, or having an unjust (on my part) land dispute with my neighbor, in a box, outside my Christianity.... That's not permissible for me, as a Christian, if I desire His fellowship.

 

[hillclimber1]

Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

 

[Andy T.]

That's evident.

You put your Christianity in a box and keep it away from politics. Neat trick.

Is it biblical?

Actually, the liberals on this board let their religion influence their politics as much as any conservative. Whenever asked to defend big gov't nanny-ism, they routinely throw out passages like the sheep and goats in Matthew 25 to justify such. Or when they argue against capital punishment or war, they have their go-to verses, etc.

So I think we should all lay our cards on the table and state that our political views are directly influenced by our religious/Scriptural views. At least then we can both appeal to the same authority - i.e., God's Word. (Of course, that assumes the debaters believe the Bible to be God's inspired, inerrant word.)

 

[Magnetic Poles]

(Of course, that assumes the debaters believe the Bible to be God's inspired, inerrant word.)

Inspired, yes. Inerrant? Not any version I own.

 

[Andy T.]

Inspired, yes. Inerrant? Not any version I own.

And thus explains the vast differences between our worldviews. Of course, even if we both appealed to the Bible as just inspired (not inerrant), the question will necessarily arise - which parts of it are inspired and which are not?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

And thus explains the vast differences between our worldviews. Of course, even if we both appealed to the Bible as just inspired (not inerrant), the question will necessarily arise - which parts of it are inspired and which are not?

So, which English bible do you own that you consider inerrant? Or are you in possession of the long lost ancient original manuscripts? Wow, call Indiana Jones!

 

[Andy T.]

If you want to discuss inerrancy, you could start another thread. As long as we believe all of the Bible is inspired, then we could both appeal to it as the final authority in discussing politics, etc.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

If you want to discuss inerrancy, you could start another thread. As long as we believe all of the Bible is inspired, then we could both appeal to it as the final authority in discussing politics, etc.

I have no interest in doing so. It was you who raised the issue.

Carry on.