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cain's wife...
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beameup
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see Genesis 6Let's not forget that the bene ha Elohim became "human like" and interbred with the "daughters of Adam" thus corrupting the entire human genome...
with the exception of Noah, his wife, his sons and their wives. With this corruption complete it would have been impossible for God to provide a savior
for the "human" race.
of course. And the girl he created was his sister.
glfredrick
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When before the Law was given, did God forbid incest (or rather, propagation with close relatives, for it was not called incest until the Law)?
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Sorry, Sportzz fanzz, but you're requiring GOD to do a 180. It's VERY obvious that He is STRICTLY against incest between parent and child, and brother-sister. The fact that it's a worldwide taboo, & often leads to birth defects shows how much He is against it.
I am open to any explanation of where cain's wife came from that DOESN'T INVOLVE INCEST. Just saying it wasn't "incest" until God gave the Israelis His law is as saying Cain's killing Abel wasn't "murder" until GOD gave that law as well. Wrong is WRONG, no matter what it's called by mankind. And incest is wrong, no matter what name it's under, and I believe it's ALWAYS been wrong.
I am open to any explanation of where cain's wife came from that DOESN'T INVOLVE INCEST. Just saying it wasn't "incest" until God gave the Israelis His law is as saying Cain's killing Abel wasn't "murder" until GOD gave that law as well. Wrong is WRONG, no matter what it's called by mankind. And incest is wrong, no matter what name it's under, and I believe it's ALWAYS been wrong.
Then you can ALWAYS be wrong.
And saying the God created more people after the fall of Adam is WRONG. I asked you some questions earlier but you didn't answer. I'll post them again.
Did God created these "other" people good as He created Adam good and sinless?
You really know how to limit God, don't you?
glfredrick
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What I find odd in this particular thread is the divergent folks, who normally argue like red-headed stepchildren about everything else, agreeing about the nature of Cain's wife (and all early wives).
Without "adding" to Scripture (and Scripture DOES say that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters) we can only know that Cain took a wife from available persons, all of whom were direct relatives. Whether sisters, cousins, nieces, 3rd removed, etc., is unknown, but blood relatives is necessary to preserve the text as there is no mention of any other people, either in chapters 1-4 of Genesis or in chapter 5, the grand summary of the generations of Adam:
Gen 5:1-27 (ESV)
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. 2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created. 3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters. 5 Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.
6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he fathered Enosh. 7 Seth lived after he fathered Enosh 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Thus all the days of Seth were 912 years, and he died.
9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he fathered Kenan. 10 Enosh lived after he fathered Kenan 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Thus all the days of Enosh were 905 years, and he died.
12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he fathered Mahalalel. 13 Kenan lived after he fathered Mahalalel 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Thus all the days of Kenan were 910 years, and he died.
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he fathered Jared. 16 Mahalalel lived after he fathered Jared 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Thus all the days of Mahalalel were 895 years, and he died.
18 When Jared had lived 162 years he fathered Enoch. 19 Jared lived after he fathered Enoch 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Thus all the days of Jared were 962 years, and he died.
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he fathered Methuselah. 22 Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he fathered Lamech. 26 Methuselah lived after he fathered Lamech 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Thus all the days of Methuselah were 969 years, and he died.
Without "adding" to Scripture (and Scripture DOES say that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters) we can only know that Cain took a wife from available persons, all of whom were direct relatives. Whether sisters, cousins, nieces, 3rd removed, etc., is unknown, but blood relatives is necessary to preserve the text as there is no mention of any other people, either in chapters 1-4 of Genesis or in chapter 5, the grand summary of the generations of Adam:
Gen 5:1-27 (ESV)
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. 2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created. 3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters. 5 Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.
6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he fathered Enosh. 7 Seth lived after he fathered Enosh 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Thus all the days of Seth were 912 years, and he died.
9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he fathered Kenan. 10 Enosh lived after he fathered Kenan 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Thus all the days of Enosh were 905 years, and he died.
12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he fathered Mahalalel. 13 Kenan lived after he fathered Mahalalel 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Thus all the days of Kenan were 910 years, and he died.
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he fathered Jared. 16 Mahalalel lived after he fathered Jared 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Thus all the days of Mahalalel were 895 years, and he died.
18 When Jared had lived 162 years he fathered Enoch. 19 Jared lived after he fathered Enoch 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Thus all the days of Jared were 962 years, and he died.
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he fathered Methuselah. 22 Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he fathered Lamech. 26 Methuselah lived after he fathered Lamech 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Thus all the days of Methuselah were 969 years, and he died.
I don't think so. That's saying GOD did a 180, condoning something He now abhors. maybe man does that, but GOD does NOT change His mind that radically. Now, where He once condoned marriage with half-siblings, and other close, but not biologically direct, relatives, it's illogical that He EVER condoned incest between full bio siblings or between parent and child. Now, while He didn't swiftly punish Lot's daughters for their incest with their dad, we see by the history of their descendants, the nations of Moab and Ammon, that He cersainly didn't like it.
It's VERY obvious GOD HATES INCEST, by the fact that peoples who've never hearda GOD don't practice it; not even your dogs & cats do.
I've mentioned before that there are gaping holes in your logic; here's a prime example.
Does God hate murder? Of course He does; one of the 10 commandments specifically says, "Thou shalt not kill."
Yet, Numbers 31 tells us: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites." To that end, Moses instructed the people to kill all the male children, and all the women that had laid with a man.
Your contention, your proposition, is that God "changed" if He allowed incest, and then disallowed it. However, your contention is not borne out by scripture, because the same principle would apply to God allowing Moses to murder the Midianite women and male children, while also giving Moses the commandment "thou shalt not kill."
The only answer that satisfies this seeming contradiction is: God fulfilled His purpose for the Isrealites.
And that answer also applies to your incest argument.
Whether *you* like it or not.
Does God hate murder? Of course He does; one of the 10 commandments specifically says, "Thou shalt not kill."
Yet, Numbers 31 tells us: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites." To that end, Moses instructed the people to kill all the male children, and all the women that had laid with a man.
Your contention, your proposition, is that God "changed" if He allowed incest, and then disallowed it. However, your contention is not borne out by scripture, because the same principle would apply to God allowing Moses to murder the Midianite women and male children, while also giving Moses the commandment "thou shalt not kill."
The only answer that satisfies this seeming contradiction is: God fulfilled His purpose for the Isrealites.
And that answer also applies to your incest argument.
Whether *you* like it or not.
This hard to tell we have the creation week then the next date is when Seth was born when Adam was 130. So the time line goes from day six to year 130. Cain took a wife in that time
Ge 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:type:
Ge 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:type:
God's command to Moses concerning the Midianites was for PUNISHMENT, not murder. The Midianites, thru the council of Balaam, had led Israel to sin. It was balaam who suggested that Midianite women seduce Israeli men, and lead them to sin by fornication and idol worship, thus bringing GOD'S anger upon Israel. God's very command was to TAKE REVENGE upon Midian.
Nothing to do with murder, or condoning incest.
Fact is, Sportzz Fanzz, that Scripture is silent about where Cain's wife came from, and where Noah's grandchildren obtained spouses. But it's NOT silent about the fact that incest is an abomination to GOD. Therefore, the possibility that GOD created other people is more-likely than it is that Cain married his own sister....not impossible, but unlikely.
Nothing to do with murder, or condoning incest.
Fact is, Sportzz Fanzz, that Scripture is silent about where Cain's wife came from, and where Noah's grandchildren obtained spouses. But it's NOT silent about the fact that incest is an abomination to GOD. Therefore, the possibility that GOD created other people is more-likely than it is that Cain married his own sister....not impossible, but unlikely.
freeatlast
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Like I said before. You do not have any understanding at all of the creation, the fall and the redemption of man. If you did you would know it is impossible for there to be another creation that is not mentioned. Your over zealous attempt to deal with a particular issue has caused you to add to scripture and destroy the truth of what is given. While incest is sin according to scripture God did not deal with it until Moses. It is no different then homosexuality. God did not deal with it until Moses, and you can bet that there was homosexuals before Moses. The same with incest. In the case of cane he could have married some one who would not be considered a close relative if he married someone who was his nieces child, but most likely he married either a sister or niece. In at least the first two generations after Adam and Eve everyone practiced what is being called incest. You need to stop adding to scripture to support your false view.
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glfredrick
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Indeed, Adam and Eve were incestuous, as Eve was created from a part of Adam's body! In their case, it was as if identical twins, male and female, begat the entire human race.
And, that was not only not a sin, God COMMANDED that they procreate, "be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth." In His first act with human beings, He instituted with Adam and his cloned-twin wife, Eve, a one-flesh relationship called marriage. Those are the facts from Scripture.
You have already been told about the issue with Abraham and Sarah, she was a half sister.
When we read of the marriage partner of Issac and Jacob, we find, again, that they are sent "home" to find a suitable bride from blood relatives. This was God's doing, and God was through and through the episodes.
The only other (potential) race of beings mentioned in the Scriptures are the Sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6, but even that is open to dispute, with some solid scholars seeing them as alien (in the sense of not homo Sapiens) in some sort and another group seeing them as very human, but self-declared kings that believed they were deity. The potential exists for them to be the descendent's of Cain who set up his own (protected) kingdom apart from the balance of Adam's descendent's.
Those were the only people on the planet if one holds to the Scriptures as accurate, which leaves only one conclusion -- marriage between blood relatives was not seen as incestuous in that early period.
And, that was not only not a sin, God COMMANDED that they procreate, "be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth." In His first act with human beings, He instituted with Adam and his cloned-twin wife, Eve, a one-flesh relationship called marriage. Those are the facts from Scripture.
You have already been told about the issue with Abraham and Sarah, she was a half sister.
When we read of the marriage partner of Issac and Jacob, we find, again, that they are sent "home" to find a suitable bride from blood relatives. This was God's doing, and God was through and through the episodes.
The only other (potential) race of beings mentioned in the Scriptures are the Sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6, but even that is open to dispute, with some solid scholars seeing them as alien (in the sense of not homo Sapiens) in some sort and another group seeing them as very human, but self-declared kings that believed they were deity. The potential exists for them to be the descendent's of Cain who set up his own (protected) kingdom apart from the balance of Adam's descendent's.
Those were the only people on the planet if one holds to the Scriptures as accurate, which leaves only one conclusion -- marriage between blood relatives was not seen as incestuous in that early period.
Please explain.
I hope you are not suggesting that the existence of "races" stems from these purported non-Adamic humans.
freeatlast
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I am not sure what planet you are from but do you really believe that people who have never heard of God do not practice incest? And animals? COME ON! :tonofbricks:
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So killing unarmed women and children is "punishment," not murder.
So you support the wholesale slaughter of women and children, but you can't bring yourself to entertain an idea that you disagree with?
Fact is, Sportzz Fan, that's called "a double standard."
freeatlast
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Originally Posted by robycop3
I TOTALLY reject the "incest" explanation, based upon GOD'S hatred of it, and the fact that there are five distinct races of people today
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Like I said you do not have a clue as to any understanding of the creation, the fall, and why there is redemption.
The races came from Adam and Eve. Our prejudices have kept many from understanding how this can be because usually a white person see the pair as white, a black person sees them as black, a Chinese person as Chinese and so on.
In the creation was the prospect of ever man ever to come after them. The pair held every possible genetic code possible. It is highly likely that one of the first pair was light skinned, one was darker, one had round eyes and one a more slanted and so on.
As man went out into the world after the fall it is reasonable to hold that as children were born they would take on different genetic appearances. At first they would have been very subtle and as time went more pronounced as two people who looked alike would come together. By the time of the tower of babble the basic look of each race would be fairly set.
Then when God confused the languages all he had to do to get the different nations was to set each language to the race that was already present. Then as this new group went out because they would not intermingle with others outside their race their own race became even more pronounced until we see what we have today except it is reverting back to a more common looks in a race because of intermarriage.
There was no other people created after Adam and Eve. Your slant on the sin of incest is clouding your understanding.
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