Calling All Open-Minded Reformed/Calvinist

[Iconoclast]

except that White is well WRONG! The Bible is AGAINST him!

Dr.White shreds him in the book.chosen but free.

Call in on the dividing line and set Dr. White straIght.
I will pay for the call.

 

[Iconoclast]

it does not say that Jesus only died for those who believe. It does say, that from the entire human race, those who do believe will be saved, and those who choose not to believe, will be damned. God's saving Love extends to the entire human race, or else this passage is pointless!

Not possible,or all would be saved...look at what you posted!

 

[Iconoclast]

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Easy, it doesn't say that he died for all in those verses it says he died. For those who believe.

Everyone believing. yes.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Dr.White shreds him in the book.chosen but free.

Call in on the dividing line and set Dr. White straIght.
I will pay for the call.

John 3:15-18 completely destroys TULI

 

[SavedByGrace]

Everyone believing. yes.

Your twist of what the Bible actually says

 

[Reynolds]

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Easy, it doesn't say that he died for all in those verses it says he died. For those who believe.

Yep. It does not say who He did for. Says who He loved and says who can be saved, but never says who He died for.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yep. It does not say who He did for. Says who He loved and says who can be saved, but never says who He died for.

The context is of salvation

 

[Reynolds]

you missed the fact that God is said to DETEST His OWN PEOPLE!

As a collective, they are no more His people than the World as a collective are His people.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Not possible,or all would be saved...look at what you posted!

Do you not understand? Believe or not believe. The sinner must choose

 

[Reynolds]

The context is of salvation

The context is whosoever believes has salvation. Where, in that passage,, does it say Jesus died for the entire world?

 

[SavedByGrace]

As a collective, they are no more His people than the World as a collective are His people.

Still detested them. The Jews in the Old Testament were collectively the chosen people of God

 

[37818]

the context of Psalm 140, are the JEWS, not NT believers!

I didn't bring it up, you did. And the New Covenant was given to who? Jeremiah 31:31.

 

[Iconoclast]

Your twist of what the Bible actually says

No what it actually says...

 

[Iconoclast]

Do you not understand? Believe or not believe. The sinner must choose

The sinner chooses sin.
You said Gods saving love ...
How can you claim saving love for those in hell?

 

[AustinC]

it does not say that Jesus only died for those who believe. It does say, that from the entire human race, those who do believe will be saved, and those who choose not to believe, will be damned. God's saving Love extends to the entire human race, or else this passage is pointless!

To the bold, I say amen. In fact, what you say is a "Calvinist" claim.
God also saves from every nation, tribe and tongue so God's love does indeed extend to all. The truth to that is that people from every nation, tribe, and tongue have those who believe.

If Jesus ransomed, universally, all people so that their sins are no more, then why are so many condemned to eternal death?

 

[SavedByGrace]

If Jesus ransomed, universally, all people so that their sins are no more, then why are so many condemned to eternal death?

have you read John 3:18 and 36?

 

[Reformed1689]

Yep. It does not say who He did for. Says who He loved and says who can be saved, but never says who He died for.

And it does not say every single person.

 

[Reformed1689]

it does not say that Jesus only died for those who believe. It does say, that from the entire human race, those who do believe will be saved, and those who choose not to believe, will be damned. God's saving Love extends to the entire human race, or else this passage is pointless!

It does say God loved the human race, yes. But it stops there. It does not say he loves every individual or that every individual has the ability to be saved.

 

[AustinC]

have you read John 3:18 and 36?

Many times.

If Jesus ransomed, universally, all people so that their sins are no more, then why are so many condemned to eternal death?

 

[Reynolds]

And it does not say every single person.

Does not say it. Correct.