Calvinism and John 3:16

[SavedByGrace]

Let’s Talk About John 3:16 – Reformed Truths
Does John 3:16 Prove Jesus Died For All? – Reformed Truths

YOU PROVE what I have written, to be wrong? Can YOU???

 

[Reformed1689]

If this is the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, then it is CLEAR that GOD SO LOVES, that He SENT His Unique Son for this RACE, for their SALVATION!

For the RACE yes. For all individuals? No. See the difference? Even if he only saved one person he saved the race.

You don't like the fact that God does NOT love all equally. I get that. But that is your problem. Not Calvinism's problem, not a biblical problem, your problem. Are Some Really Prepared For Destruction?

 

[Reformed1689]

that those who are HONEST "reformed", can admit what the passage ACTUALLY says!

And that is not that God died for every individual or loves every individual with a SAVING love.

 

[Reformed1689]

YOU PROVE what I have written, to be wrong? Can YOU???

Those posts do.

 

[SavedByGrace]

John 3:16-18

 

[SavedByGrace]

Those posts do.

OK, I understand that you CANNOT, as you FAKE to "know" Greek!

 

[SavedByGrace]

And that is not that God died for every individual or loves every individual with a SAVING love.

EXACTLY that!

 

[SavedByGrace]

For the RACE yes. For all individuals? No. See the difference? Even if he only saved one person he saved the race.

You don't like the fact that God does NOT love all equally. I get that. But that is your problem. Not Calvinism's problem, not a biblical problem, your problem. Are Some Really Prepared For Destruction?

more reformed nonsense!

Just take each point that I have carefully shown, YOURSELF, and then show that I am wrong?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Jesus Christ Shed His Blood for Judas

 

[SavedByGrace]

God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved

 

[SavedByGrace]

anyhow, what I wrote is a response to @The Archangel on another thread

 

[Reformed1689]

more reformed nonsense!

Just take each point that I have carefully shown, YOURSELF, and then show that I am wrong?

What do you mean myself??

 

[SavedByGrace]

@Reformed1689 you use "funny", when you know you are beat! I don't mind, as I have met MANY just like you over the 40 years that I have been saved!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Let’s Talk About John 3:16 – Reformed Truths
Does John 3:16 Prove Jesus Died For All? – Reformed Truths

These are YOUR articles, I thought you did not want to be known on BB?

 

[SavedByGrace]

What do you mean myself??

YOU take the time, as I have, and show from each of the points that I have made, to be wrong, as a mature Christian and not in silly, childish remarks!

 

[Reformed1689]

@Reformed1689 you use "funny", when you know you are beat! I don't mind, as I have met MANY just like you over the 40 years that I have been saved!

I use funny when you post stuff that is so absurd it's not worth my time.

 

[Reformed1689]

YOU take the time, as I have, and show from each of the points that I have made, to be wrong, as a mature Christian and not in silly, childish remarks!

I did take the time in writing the articles I posted. I'm not going to rewrite something I've already done and is publicly available.

 

[canadyjd]

Nice try, but your personal "Reformed theology" is AGAINST the Bible here!

Even Robert Dabney, who was a Calvinist, has this to say on the use of “kosmos” here:

“In Jno.iii.16, make ‘the world’ which Christ loved, to mean ‘the elect world’, and we reach the absurdity, that some of the elect may not believe, and perish…since Christ made expiation for every man” (Systematic Theology, p.525)

I’d like to try to get back to the passage in John 3, if we can,

Do you recognize the “whosever believes” of John 3:16 is already limited by John 3:1-10 and the discussion in being born agsin? How do you reconcile Jesus’s words that “the wind (Spirit) blows where He wills…. so is everyone born of the Spirit” with your belief salvation is available to all?

How do you reconcile your belief that the “love” of God mentioned in 3:16 is “saving love” applied to all humanity without exception and 1 Corinthians 13 passage that says “love never fails”? Wouldn’t that require a belief in universal salvation? If not, how can God’s saving love fail?

No need to reference Greek words. I’m very rusty and don’t have time to deep dive into it.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

I did take the time in writing the articles I posted. I'm not going to rewrite something I've already done and is publicly available.

I thought that you said, you did not want your real name here on BB, after I once used it?

 

[SavedByGrace]

I’d like to try to get back to the passage in John 3, if we can,

Do you recognize the “whosever believes” of John 3:16 is already limited by John 3:1-10 and the discussion in being born agsin? How do you reconcile Jesus’s words that “the wind (Spirit) blows where He wills…. so is everyone born of the Spirit” with your belief salvation is available to all?

How do you reconcile your belief that the “love” of God mentioned in 3:16 is “saving love” applied to all humanity without exception and 1 Corinthians 13 passage that says “love never fails”? Wouldn’t that require a belief in universal salvation? If not, how can God’s saving love fail?

No need to reference Greek words. I’m very rusty and don’t have time to deep dive into it.

peace to you

It is clear from the context of John 3:16-18, that "the world" is "each and every person in the human race"

What Jesus says about “the wind (Spirit) blows where He wills…. so is everyone born of the Spirit”, is again in its context, speaking of the "spiritual birth" of believers, as opposed to "natural birth", which is something that the human eye cannot see, because it is SPIRITUAL.