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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by JonC, Jun 29, 2017.

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    Others here state that the traditional belief of the SBC is Calvinist.
    It seems that you are referring to whatever tradition you created. If not Calvinist, nor Arminian, then it seems you're a semi-pelagian. In any case, your tradition is less about scripture than it is about the comfort of your feelings.
     
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    "Revmitchell,

    An accurate description of error held by you and others who would subvert the truth.

    Or Arminianism is a word to those who try and oppose truth denying they are arminians, because they plead the 5th...osas
    Both are descriptive and useful.
     
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    JonC,

    I was speaking of this primarily.I have been in churches where people who profess to be Christians for years are not familiar with their bibles which i find disturbing and not glorifying to God at all.

    If it were only a few cases that would be sad, but it seems to be more than a few cases....

    I might be differing with you here....

    I think it does indeed hinge on scripture.

     
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    Six Hour Warning
    This thread will be closed sometime after 1:30 AM Pacific.
     
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    I am using the terminology in the video this thread is about. Did you watch it?
     
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    The ORB's are not the ORB's of years ago. They have let freewillism take them down a road that their forefathers, if they knew how they were now, would be rolling in their graves faster than a drill bit.
     
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    But, as both men mention, the term traditionalist is an inaccurate statement.

    It is more accurate to call yourself a semi-pelagian. You may cringe at the term because "traditionalist" somehow sounds more kind, but in reality the term defines nothing. If I am to call you a traditionalist, then I will think of you as being a member of the Roman church where tradition trumps the Bible.
    No, semi-pelagian is a far more accurate term.
     
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    The reason why dying churches are dying is because there aren't enough theologians to go around. Trust me, around here the ones who are considered 'preaching men', have a theology 1/2" thick.
     
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    Skandaleon(or however you spell it) calls himself a 'traditionialist', and he's a hardcore semi-Pelagianist.
     
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    Maybe the Calvinists should change their name to historic (as the complaint is that the group is returning to the Abstract of Principles). We have historic SBC (Calvinism) and traditional SBC (non-Calvinism).
     
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    They do call it the Founders movement.
     
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    I agree that shallow and non-existent theology is a huge issue, but I think that the reason churches are dying is that they have abandoned their First Love. I've seen pastors preach strong doctrine and hold studies that no one attends. I am beginning to think that this is a heart issue more than it is a head issue.
     
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    Great point in that groups often "rebrand" their names to highlight positive and distract from negative.
    How many Baptist churches have changed their name to a nature theme?
    Eagle Brook, Meadow Lands, Aspen Hills, Great Lakes, etc., just to avoid the social negatives associated with Baptist.
    It is no surprise to hear two leaders try to rebrand.
     
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    ...beginning to think? Jon, that has been the issue since day one of the fall.
    Greeky, touched on the ordinance of God. It is worth reminding that God is working out His Providence regardless of the degree a person holds. God can take the ignorant saint and preach deep truth.
    My prayer should be that God might move me to deeper truth as He walks me toward the cross.
     
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