Calvinism and the Unpardonable Sin

[taisto]

Dealing with context means understanding the verse in context not posting all the verses around it. Plus would an extended post have made those verses mean something different? NO. You are just grasping at straws so as to avoid the clear message of scripture, God will make salvation available to all but each person has to choose to accept the offer.

I agree that God is the start and finisher of faith in that He has provided the means of knowing Him be it creation, the gospel message, the conviction of the Holy Spirit etc. but it is still man that has to make the choice to trust in or reject Christ Jesus. God does not do it for them as calvinism would have it.

And you have not dealt with any of those verses have you. How can you say you rejoice in them when they show that your calvinism is wrong. Calvinism has a person saved before they believe or even know of Christ Jesus and these verse all show that one must believe before they are saved. I do not think you really understand your own theology.

So I will ask you again
What do you do with these verses?

Is this not the will of God?
1Ti 2:3 This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 4:10 To this end we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of everyone, and especially of those who believe.

Do you see this as excluding anyone from the love of God?
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

Did Paul get this wrong when he told the jailer to just believe on Christ Jesus?
Act 16:30 Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
Act 16:31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Was Paul correct when he said this?
Rom 10:17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

In light of 1Ti 2:3-4 and 1Ti 4:10 how to you view these verses?
Eph 1:13 And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Gal 3:14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—

Gal 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Rom 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Joh 20:31 But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.

The bible says we must believe in Christ Jesus before we are saved as these verses in context will show you.

But what does calvinism tell us about being saved
“A cardinal point of Reformed theology is the maxim: ‘Regeneration precedes faith.’
[R.C. Sproul Chosen By God, pp.72-73].
“A man is not saved because he believes in Christ; he believes in Christ because he is saved”.
[L. Boettner The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination, Page 75]

This is clearly in opposition to what the bible says. So if you are going to support that view then provide the clear scripture that supports it.

To quote you "You truly provide no spiritual edification to me. You only act as an accuser. Can the leopard change its spots?"

I rejoice in these verses, that's what I do with them.
But, you seem to think they glorify man and man's determinative will over and above the will of God.
The context of the Bible does not support your teachings, which comes from your own mind.

 

[Silverhair]

I rejoice in these verses, that's what I do with them.
But, you seem to think they glorify man and man's determinative will over and above the will of God.
The context of the Bible does not support your teachings, which comes from your own mind.

If you do not understand that the context of the bible supports those verses you do not understand context.

All you have done is say no, show me from the bible where I am wrong? You can not so you do the typical and just give your opinion. You have yet to provide any scripture to support you view so I have to conclude that you are just parroting what others have said.

Strange that you would say you rejoice in verses that prove your calvinist philosophy wrong.

 

[taisto]

If you do not understand that the context of the bible supports those verses you do not understand context.

All you have done is say no, show me from the bible where I am wrong? You can not so you do the typical and just give your opinion. You have yet to provide any scripture to support you view so I have to conclude that you are just parroting what others have said.

Strange that you would say you rejoice in verses that prove your calvinist philosophy wrong.

If you think those verses prove God to be less than ruler over every aspect of your existence then you clearly have a terrible interpretation of those verses.
Each verse you share points toward the full authority of God to do as He wills with or without your consent.
I will endeavor to stop talking with you on this subject as this has become a tiresome and fruitless conversation with you.

 

[Silverhair]

If you think those verses prove God to be less than ruler over every aspect of your existence then you clearly have a terrible interpretation of those verses.
Each verse you share points toward the full authority of God to do as He wills with or without your consent.
I will endeavor to stop talking with you on this subject as this has become a tiresome and fruitless conversation with you.

You obviously have not thought what you just posted through to the logical conclusion. If as you say God rules over every aspect of your life your saying that whatever happens is a direct result of God decreeing it to happen. So every sin every evil deed falls in His lap. That is the reality of your calvinism.

God being sovereign means that if He so chose to give man free will then who are you oh man to argue back at Him. You are trying to fit the scriptures into your calvinism, that is why you continue to misunderstand what the bible is telling you.

So here is a question for you. In your calvinism you hold to total depravity so man is not able, upon hearing the gospel, to turn and trust in Christ Jesus. So if your view is correct then can you explain why we need divine hardening in relation to the gospel message so that they would not believe {John 12:40} since man has no ability to believe anyway?

 

[taisto]

You obviously have not thought what you just posted through to the logical conclusion. If as you say God rules over every aspect of your life your saying that whatever happens is a direct result of God decreeing it to happen. So every sin every evil deed falls in His lap. That is the reality of your calvinism.

God being sovereign means that if He so chose to give man free will then who are you oh man to argue back at Him. You are trying to fit the scriptures into your calvinism, that is why you continue to misunderstand what the bible is telling you.

So here is a question for you. In your calvinism you hold to total depravity so man is not able, upon hearing the gospel, to turn and trust in Christ Jesus. So if your view is correct then can you explain why we need divine hardening in relation to the gospel message so that they would not believe {John 12:40} since man has no ability to believe anyway?

You are trying to lean on your human logic and then looking to interpret Bible verses according to your logic. Here you essentially tell us as much. Your methodology has lead you down a humanist path that seeks to place God in a box that makes sense to you.

Good luck with that. I will not be following your path.

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[RipponRedeaux]

I have not concluded that calvinism is wrong based on Dr.Wilson's work. I came to that conclusion when I compared calvinism to the bible.

Dr. Wilson, who you reference constantly is a hairy tick. He's part of Vineyard movement up there in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
Wilson wrote an unsound book called A Letter To my Congregation. It deals with the alphabet soup conglomeration known as LGBTQ+. Wilson is fine with those types being pastors. And he's okay with same-gender unions. He regards issues regarding these folks and Scriptures that condemn them as disputable matters.

Wilson, is not the sort of person anyone --especially a Christian, should associate with.