Rockson
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Spurgeon then goes on to respond to the objection that the warnings are unnecessary if believers can’t fall away. He argues that the warnings are a means by which believers are preserved until the end.
My Comment
If they so choose to be.
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But,’ says one, ‘You say they cannot fall away.’ What is the use of putting this ‘if’ in, like a bugbear to frighten children, or like a ghost that can have no existence? My learned friend, ‘Who art thou that repliest against God?’ If God has put it in, he has put it in for wise reasons and for excellent purposes. Let me show you why. First, O Christian, it is put in to keep thee from falling away.
My Comment
I guess I could say to Spurgeon who are you to reply against God with all the many scriptures which warn that believers, or saved CAN fall away. IF you remain in me Jesus said. John 15:7
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God preserves his children from falling away; but he keeps them by the use of means; and one of these is, the terrors of the law, showing them what would happen if they were to fall away.
I'd say rather God seeks to preserve his children from falling away but it's entirely up to them.
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There is a deep precipice: what is the best way to keep any one from going down there? Why, to tell him that if he did he would inevitably be dashed to pieces. In some old castle there is a deep cellar, where there is a vast amount of fixed air and gas, which would kill anybody who went down. What does the guide say? ‘If you go down you will never come up alive.’ Who thinks of going down? The very fact of the guide telling us what the consequences would be, keeps us from it.
My Comment
Sorry. I do have an appreciation of Spurgeon in some things....not so with any of this. A great problem with his construct would be this. Any one who does greatly sin let's say to the point of falling away he'd therefore conclude they weren't saved to begin with. Quite problematic for if such a sinner wanted to come back and repent they're now laden down with the sorrow I call it deception that they probably weren't saved to begin with. And don't you Calvinists agree that you periodically sin? Whatever sin you've committed as a Calvinist Christian then how come the warnings didn't keep you out of it? The answer is clear. Yes God does use warnings to motivate Christians to stay within the perimeters of his will. But it's about motivating and exhorting them not freezing them or locking them up with some type of irresistible grace. So question to Calvinists....do you EVER sin? Why didn't the warnings work to stop you.
Spurgeon then goes on to respond to the objection that the warnings are unnecessary if believers can’t fall away. He argues that the warnings are a means by which believers are preserved until the end.
My Comment
If they so choose to be.
Original Post
But,’ says one, ‘You say they cannot fall away.’ What is the use of putting this ‘if’ in, like a bugbear to frighten children, or like a ghost that can have no existence? My learned friend, ‘Who art thou that repliest against God?’ If God has put it in, he has put it in for wise reasons and for excellent purposes. Let me show you why. First, O Christian, it is put in to keep thee from falling away.
My Comment
I guess I could say to Spurgeon who are you to reply against God with all the many scriptures which warn that believers, or saved CAN fall away. IF you remain in me Jesus said. John 15:7
Original Post
God preserves his children from falling away; but he keeps them by the use of means; and one of these is, the terrors of the law, showing them what would happen if they were to fall away.
I'd say rather God seeks to preserve his children from falling away but it's entirely up to them.
Original Post
There is a deep precipice: what is the best way to keep any one from going down there? Why, to tell him that if he did he would inevitably be dashed to pieces. In some old castle there is a deep cellar, where there is a vast amount of fixed air and gas, which would kill anybody who went down. What does the guide say? ‘If you go down you will never come up alive.’ Who thinks of going down? The very fact of the guide telling us what the consequences would be, keeps us from it.
My Comment
Sorry. I do have an appreciation of Spurgeon in some things....not so with any of this. A great problem with his construct would be this. Any one who does greatly sin let's say to the point of falling away he'd therefore conclude they weren't saved to begin with. Quite problematic for if such a sinner wanted to come back and repent they're now laden down with the sorrow I call it deception that they probably weren't saved to begin with. And don't you Calvinists agree that you periodically sin? Whatever sin you've committed as a Calvinist Christian then how come the warnings didn't keep you out of it? The answer is clear. Yes God does use warnings to motivate Christians to stay within the perimeters of his will. But it's about motivating and exhorting them not freezing them or locking them up with some type of irresistible grace. So question to Calvinists....do you EVER sin? Why didn't the warnings work to stop you.
