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Calvinism, Arminianism, how can we find what is the true doctrine from God?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Hobie, Mar 1, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    We all need to see things regarding just how sinful we really are, as when Isaiah, and John met the Lord, they were not touting how great guys they were!
     
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    Scripture can plainly write out that everyone just does go to hell. That still doesn't equate to people DESERVING to go to hell. That is a separate opinion God has never made.
     
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    If a person commits a crime (breaks the law) does he deserve the punishment for breaking the law or is it just an opinion?

    utilyan, your coming across as a person looking for an excuse to get out from under what the moral law of God demands from you as a law breaker. "The wages of sin is death."

    You were a dead man walking, "You were dead in your trespasses and sins", but "God made you alive with Christ and seated you at the right hand of God - for by grace you have been saved."

    You and I deserve hell because of our law breaking. That's not an opinion, that is a biblical fact.

    Reconciliation with God by God extending grace and giving us faith is the only means by which our sentence is stayed.

    Biblical fact.
     
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    Moral law:

    Genesis 2:16-17 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

    Moral law broken:

    Genesis 3:6-19 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths. And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. But the Lord God called to the man and said to him, “Where are you?” And he said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.” He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” The Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.” And to Adam he said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
     
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    Unless you see just how bad we are, we cannot see how great Grace of God is!
     
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    Utilyan has made his bed. Let him lie in it.
     
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    Wonder if His Mother Mary will intercede for him now?
     
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    Six Hour Warning
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