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Calvinism Made Me Doubt My Salvation

Zaatar71

Active Member
Chill, dude. I don't understand why you're giving this new member the third degree when it seems to me he's just being open and honest about things going on in his life!

You may very well be demonstrating the 'Calvinist arrogance' that has discouraged him in the past.
What does his situation have to do with Calvinism at all? He has said he is having an amicable divorce. What is that based on? He introduced this on this thread. I have never heard of anyone who is going through such a trial, and then blame a theological teaching as part of the reason for their personal difficulty. What if a person said, The premillennial Dispensational ideas are causing my spouse to want to leave me, because we cannot agree on the timing of the rapture. I asked John Hagee for advice and he told me to seek help at my local church, would that be valid? Would the teaching on endtimes be related at all.
 

Regulus

New Member
Are you saying you committed adultery?

I did not.

You very well could have made a false profession of faith.

I gave a wholehearted profession of faith. That doesn’t mean that I’m going to be sinlessly perfect. It’s comments like this that really give Calvinists a bad name.


Why would you think that two Calvinist theologians, who do not know you at all, would offer ideas on your situation? telling you to seek local church advise was the best thing they could tell you

I’m not part of a local church right now because I got burnt out on organized religion. I have been listening to their podcast and livestreams and thought that they genuinely cared about the brethren, but apparently I was wrong.
 

kyredneck

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
I have never heard of anyone who is going through such a trial, and then blame a theological teaching as part of the reason for their personal difficulty.

K. I get that you're questioning @Regulus's sincerity, that he may be a 'stealth Calvinist-slayer' out to smear the theology. Time will tell. Too early for me to form an opinion.
 
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Van

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Saints do not persevere. God keeps them. I used to agree with the 5th point. Now I am not to sure. I believe it may be just a response to the lie that we must persevere to the end to be saved (salvation can be lost)
The "P" stands for "Preservation of the Saints" and says those saved are kept saved and no one can lose their salvation. I believe this doctrine, as stated, is correct and valid doctrine.

I say Preservation and this poster says Persevere. Needless effort to create an issue.
 

Van

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Sorry I irritated you by asking you to defend your view of TULI. Since you have addressed this issue previously just direct me to an applicable post. I will try to find it by searching. Maybe I'll be in touch - maybe not.
See post 15 in this thread.

Calvinism false claims that lost people (natural unregenerate people) cannot understand any of the things of the Spirit of God, but that reads into 1 Corinthians 2:14 more than what it says. The things could mean all the things, or could mean some of the things. In order to determine which view is correct, we need to look at the context. In 1 Corinthians 3:1 Paul says he must speak to immature Christians, in the same way he speaks to natural unregenerate "men of flesh." Will Wesley tell us why Paul uses spiritual milk to address natural people, if they cannot understand spiritual milk? No, of course not, because Calvinism has no answer. Their1 Corinthians 2:14 doctrine is unbiblical and unstudied.

I could plow through the rest but it would be a waste and a diversion from the thread topic, because no Calvinist ever responds with an actual discussion of the verse in question. Rather we get a subject change or an absurdity.
 

Eternally Grateful

Well-Known Member
The "P" stands for "Preservation of the Saints" and says those saved are kept saved and no one can lose their salvation. I believe this doctrine, as stated, is correct and valid doctrine.

I say Preservation and this poster says Persevere. Needless effort to create an issue.
I just made a statement. Based on what I have heard calvinists say in the past.

I have also seen it written as perseverance of the saints.

in fact. before you make silly accusations. You should probably check yourself

A quick google of perseverANCE of the aints showed this and much more





from Got Question...

Perseverance of the Saints - is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

Perseverance of the saints is the name that is used to summarize what the Bible teaches about the eternal security of the believer. It answers the question, “Once a person is saved, can he lose his salvation?” Perseverance of the saints is the P in the acronym TULIP, which is commonly used to enumerate what are known as the five points of Calvinism. Because the term “perseverance of the saints” can cause people to have the wrong idea about what is meant, some people prefer to use terms like “preservation of the saints,” “eternal security,” or “held by God.” Each of these terms reveals some aspect of what the Bible teaches about the security of the believer. However, like any biblical doctrine, what is important is not the name assigned to the doctrine but how accurately it summarizes what the Bible teaches about that subject. No matter which name you use to refer to this important doctrine, a thorough study of the Bible will reveal that, when it is properly understood, it is an accurate description of what the Bible teaches.

From John Piper on calvinism

Perseverance of the Saints​


perseverance of the saints

Session 8​

TULIP​


from another reformed pastor

reformed theology

April 22, 2017
Theology\Reformed Theology\Perseverance of the Saints

TULIP and Reformed Theology: Perseverance of the Saints​

R.C. Sproul R.C. Sproul


I do not just make stuff up
 

Regulus

New Member
K. I get that you're questioning @Regulus's sincerity, that he may be a 'stealth Calvinist-slayer' out to smear the theology. Time will tell. Too early for me to form an opinion.

I’m not here to smear anybody’s theology. I’m simply saying that there are some Calvinists out there that like to act like Pharisees and they don’t actually practice what they preach. It’s not a good look.
 
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