Calvinism Misrepresents the Meaning of Death

[MB]

Sure there is. Ephesians 2.

Sorry the name Adam does not appear in EPH 2
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[MB]

That is all the way, from genesis to revelation!

Not so Calvinist make false claims all the time.
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[MB]

Why are you dodging the question? Do you deny the Trinity? This is a simple yes or no question.

You know better same question has been asked and answered a long time ago. Besides how many questions have I asked you that you never answered.?
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[atpollard]

The ultimate disrespect for our God.

Your "god" is quite the little snowflake, isn't he? I mean failure to capitalize the "J" in Jesus is "the ultimate disrespect?"

Really?

The GOD I serve is big enough to let capitalization errors roll right off Him.

 

[atpollard]

None of those passages state that we are actually dead in our sin.
MB

No moving the goal posts.

You said originally said "we inherited" in this post ...

Calvinist claim we inherited what happened to Adam because of his sin

So Dave G responded with these scriptures ...

Romans 1:18-32.
Romans 5.

Which includes the following:

[Rom 5:12-17 NKJV]
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-- 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift [is] not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift [is] not like [that which came] through the one who sinned. For the judgment [which came] from one [offense resulted] in condemnation, but the free gift [which came] from many offenses [resulted] in justification. 17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

Which everyone except you will see as supporting the original claim "we inherited".

Those passages do not say a great many things, however they do say what they say, and that addresses your original claim about our inheritance from Adam.

Ephesians 2 states "that we are actually dead in our sin", as if you were unaware of Ephesians 2.

 

[Reformed1689]

You know better same question has been asked and answered a long time ago. Besides how many questions have I asked you that you never answered.?
MB

I don't know that you have ever asked a question that I did not answer. I still don't know your position on whether or not you affirm the Trinity.

 

[Reformed1689]

Sorry the name Adam does not appear in EPH 2
MB

Doesn't have to. No wonder your theology is so screwed up. You have no idea how to interpret Scripture.

 

[MB]

No moving the goal posts.

You said originally said "we inherited" in this post ...


So Dave G responded with these scriptures ...

Which includes the following:

[Rom 5:12-17 NKJV]
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-- 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift [is] not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift [is] not like [that which came] through the one who sinned. For the judgment [which came] from one [offense resulted] in condemnation, but the free gift [which came] from many offenses [resulted] in justification. 17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

Which everyone except you will see as supporting the original claim "we inherited".

Those passages do not say a great many things, however they do say what they say, and that addresses your original claim about our inheritance from Adam.

Ephesians 2 states "that we are actually dead in our sin", as if you were unaware of Ephesians 2.

This still does not say we inherited any thing from Adam. That is in the Calvinist imagination. We all die as Adam did physcially yet we did not inherit spiritual death.Adam didn't die spiritually. We also did not sin in Adam He committed his own sin. He also did not die spiritually any where in scripture. If he did then how is it he could speak with God about his sin and how is it that Cain did the same?
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[MB]

Doesn't have to. No wonder your theology is so screwed up. You have no idea how to interpret Scripture.

Look who's talking the guy who makes claims and offers scripture that doesn't prove his position. I'd say it is you who doesn't know what he is talking about. LOL!
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[MB]

I don't know that you have ever asked a question that I did not answer. I still don't know your position on whether or not you affirm the Trinity.

The trinity is not the subject. You keep trying to derail the thread.
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[Reformed1689]

The trinity is not the subject. You keep trying to derail the thread.
MB

No, it is a fair question. You said if the word isn't there then it isn't true. Therefore, by that logic, you must deny the Trinity.

 

[atpollard]

This still does not say we inherited any thing from Adam. That is in the Calvinist imagination. We all die as Adam did physcially yet we did not inherit spiritual death.Adam didn't die spiritually. We also did not sin in Adam He committed his own sin. He also did not die spiritually any where in scripture. If he did then how is it he could speak with God about his sin and how is it that Cain did the same?
MB

"Which everyone except you will see as supporting the original claim 'we inherited'."
(I must be a prophet.)

 

[JD731]

His body had physically died, but he was alive as the God man!

And the scriptures say that where? Calvinists makes it up as they go. The scriptures say Jesus rose from the dead on the third day and now you are saying he rose from the life? At some point you should be embarrassed.

 

[atpollard]

Adam didn't die spiritually.

Yes, Adam did die spiritually.

• "And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden." - [Genesis 3:8 NKJV]
• "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed." - [John 3:19-20 NKJV]
  
• "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others." - [Ephesians 2:1-3 NKJV]

 

[Yeshua1]

Yet He descended into the lower parts of the Earth commonly known a Hell
He was separated from God the Father which is why He asked why His Father had forsaken Him. That is the description of Spiritual death.
MB

Jesus went into Hades, Sheol, not hell, and he was quoting the Psalm while upon that Cross, as He had completed His task and finished plan of salvation, father into thy hands, does not sound like someone who was now spiritually dead!

 

[Yeshua1]

And the scriptures say that where? Calvinists makes it up as they go. The scriptures say Jesus rose from the dead on the third day and now you are saying he rose from the life? At some point you should be embarrassed.

Jesus NEVER spiritually died, as His was PHYSICALLY resurrected on third day!

 

[Yeshua1]

Not so Calvinist make false claims all the time.
MB

Nope, but our critics really do misunderstand our theology!

 

[MB]

Your "god" is quite the little snowflake, isn't he? I mean failure to capitalize the "J" in Jesus is "the ultimate disrespect?"

Really?

The GOD I serve is big enough to let capitalization errors roll right off Him.

You keep right on disrespecting the God of creation and you'll find out He is not a little snow flake. You have no fear of God and what's more you had better find some.
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[MB]

Yes, Adam did die spiritually.

• "And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden." - [Genesis 3:8 NKJV]
• "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed." - [John 3:19-20 NKJV]
  
• "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others." - [Ephesians 2:1-3 NKJV]

None of this proves your point.
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[Yeshua1]

None of this proves your point.
MB

It does, but you cannot see the truth!