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Calvinist preachers, teachers, theologians

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Blammo

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jne1611 said:
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Notice in this verse, Christ identifies those who have not even believed as yet, his sheep.
This is what I mean. Yes in our sins God hates even His us! But through His election of us in Christ, He loves us. Christ is the only one who stands between anyone and eternal wrath. That is why anyone who was not chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world has no claim on the love of God.
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This fold=Jews
Other sheep=Gentiles
 
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jne1611

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Blammo said:
This fold=Jews
Other sheep=Gentiles
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Whats the difference? Did I not make the point that "world" means Jews & Gentiles? The point is that those gentiles were called sheep before they were saved! What of the goats? Did Christ lay down his life for the goats? Was the kingdom prepared for goats? Or sheep? Do any of Christ's sheep go to the fire?
 
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Blammo

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jne1611 said:
Whats the difference? Did I not make the point that "world" means Jews & Gentiles? The point is that those gentiles were called sheep before they were saved! What of the goats? Did Christ lay down his life for the goats?
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The difference in what you are saying and what the Scriptures say is:

-You are saying there are specific sheep in mind
-The Scriptures only allude to groups
 
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jne1611

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Blammo said:
The difference in what you are saying and what the Scriptures say is:

-You are saying there are specific sheep in mind
-The Scriptures only allude to groups
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That is rubbish. The same context identifies them as given to Christ by the Father. Are all men given to Christ by the Father?
 
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Brother Bob

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Whats the difference? Did I not make the point that "world" means Jews & Gentiles? The point is that those gentiles were called sheep before they were saved! What of the goats? Did Christ lay down his life for the goats? Was the kingdom prepared for goats? Or sheep? Do any of Christ's sheep go to the fire?
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If I believed what Calvinist do they go to the fire. Don't think you want to go there.
 
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jne1611

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If I believed what Calvinist do they go to the fire. Don't think you want to go there.
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Sure Bob. Make some sense next time. So you believe all men are Christ's sheep? That's rich.
 
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jne1611

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He said if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me. Is Jesus God?
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Sure Bob. I guess you can find where all men have come to him as well? Look close at John 6:44. Do you find any rejection in the drawing he is talking about? When you do, then you have a argument. Until, your "all men" simply means Jews & Gentiles.
 
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Brother Bob

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Sure Bob. Make some sense next time. So you believe all men are Christ's sheep? That's rich.
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You got a smart mouth.
They are all His until they sin or come to the age of accountability.

So, the way you are saying it is that all jews and gentiles are His.
 
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jne1611

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You got a smart mouth.
They are all His until they sin or come to the age of accountability.

So, the way you are saying it is that all jews and gentiles are His.
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No. I am saying people from both sides come to Christ in the New Covenant. Where as in the Old, the Jew was primarily dealt with by God. Christ's sheep consist of both Jew and Gentile. That is the thrust of the Scripture.
As to the smart mouth, I just like to see you get going.
 
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Brother Bob

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You talk out of both sides of your mouth first you say the whole world means the Jews and Gentiles and not you saying the ones who come to Christ.
What do you believe?
 
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jne1611

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You talk out of both sides of your mouth first you say the whole world means the Jews and Gentiles and not you saying the ones who come to Christ.
What do you believe?
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Cant you see what I am saying? I think you can.

In case not. Here it is. The middle wall of partition between Jew & Gentile has been broken down by Christ. Some from both Jew's and Gentiles will be saved. All of these are Christ's sheep. When Christ uses the word world in John 3:16, "all men" "whosoever" etc. He is making it clear that the plan includes Gentiles as well as Jews. But nowhere in the whole of Scripture are you going to find a thimble of evidence to support the idea that any but those God purposed to save are given to Christ by the Father & called his sheep in the NT.
 
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Brother Bob

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jne;
Whats the difference? Did I not make the point that "world" means Jews & Gentiles? The point is that those gentiles were called sheep before they were saved! What of the goats? Did Christ lay down his life for the goats? Was the kingdom prepared for goats? Or sheep? Do any of Christ's sheep go to the fire?
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This is what you said, not me. Now you are saying some of them.:BangHead:
 
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Blammo

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jne1611 said:
That is rubbish. The same context identifies them as given to Christ by the Father. Are all men given to Christ by the Father?
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Quick answer... No, not unless you believe all men are saved.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
 
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jne1611

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Blammo said:
Quick answer... No, not unless you believe all men are saved.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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Why, you hit the nail right on the head! Amen Bro. Your getting closer to the truth. The sheep come. They hear his voice. They are given to Christ by God. Saved eternally! Those given come & are not cast out. Those not given do not come. And are cast to the fire.:thumbs::sleeping_2:
 
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Blammo

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Why, you hit the nail right on the head! Amen Bro. Your getting closer to the truth. Those given come & are not cast out. Those not given do not come. And are cast to the fire.:thumbs::sleeping_2:
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Yes.

I guess the questions I still have are:

Who does the Father give to Christ? And why?
 
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jne1611

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Blammo said:
Yes.

I guess the questions I still have are:

Who does the Father give to Christ? And why?
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Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 
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Brother Bob

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God so loved the world
that he sent his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son
into the world to condemn the world,
but that the world through him might be saved.

God is outside of time and sees who believes and knows who to call, who to predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, who to Justify (by the blood of His Son) and who to Glorify. He is everlasting to everlasting and sees all. He don't force no man to serve Him as the Calvinist say but gives all a choice but He is all in all and knows who the believer is.
 
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