Calvinists can't stand when smart people don't agree with them.

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes welcome....& put on your flack jacket....you will need it...LOL

 

[asterisktom]

How about 'Determinist'?

I would pass on that one too. Imprecise and impersonal. The God who ordains is a person. I know that some disagree, but determinism is too much akin to impersonal fatalism.

 

[Van]

Absolutely! Christ came to save sinners, just as He said and does. That said we know there are some who refuse and some who are thrilled to be humble before Him! How did that happen? It was by His design. The heart that He regenerated came to hunger for Him and for His word. The other one did not.
The first trigger verse that told me I had much yet to learn was Acts 13:48b It declares that 'all who were ordained to eternal life believed'.
In eternity past God decreed all that would come to pass and when you read through the OT it becomes very clear that He controlled and designed all events, all details. Soli deo gloria!

Glad you joined our discussion of biblical truth. Now to be candid, what I believe to be true and what you seem to believe are very different.

You mentioned Acts 13:48b and used a translation of "ordained." Others translating the same Greek word, translate it as appointed. This begs the question who did the appointing? Now with your translation, ordained pretty much requires that God did the ordaining. But if we use appointed the question is not answered by the translation choice.

If we did a study of the word translated "appointed or ordained" we would find it refers to an arrangement between a person and another person or group by mutual consent. Thus using this understanding of the word, the idea seems to be that Paul gave direction, i.e. the gospel requirements, and those who accepted that direction, believed. Thus Paul, not God is part of the "appointment."

Now if we waded through all the usual "proof texts" for Calvinism, we would find similar disagreements as to the truth.

If we assume that our view is truth and it alone gives glory to God, rather than one or perhaps both of us need to gain a better understanding of the truth, we will not be giving glory to God but to ourselves.

 

[McWilliams]

When speaking with unbelievers I never use terms of election, calvinism, TULIP, or such as those terms are for when we come to know and understand doctrine.
People mostly have a very small view of God and think of Him in human terms when His way of thinking, planning and bringing sinners to Himself is nothing at all like we would think. I once heard it told that for someone who hates brussel sprouts to begin to like them, then to love them and to desire them often is an analogy to an unbeliever whom God has regenerated coming to know and love reading the bible, going to church and praying when they never did that before. Spurgeon tells an amazing story of how he ever came to the Lord when he thought he did it himself. He began to realize that he never would have done such a thing had not the Lord changed his heart first! We speak to unbelievers by assuring them the bible is God's holy word and without error. What He says to us is how we are to know Him, love Him and obey Him! I once was told the bible was God's love letter to me and I immediately began to read it, crave it and to learn all I could about it, knowing He would be holding me accountable for what it says, all of it, not just certain parts! It is a wonder! Soli deo gloria!

 

[OldRegular]

I didn't close it. Can someone outside of Mods/Admins close a thread? I honestly didn't close it.

I know you didn't!

I guess the major difference(s) I have with reformed theology is the pre-faith regeneration, and God predestinating some to hell. I just don't see it that way, when I read. Maybe in time, I will see it, but right now, I don't. I have nothing against my reformed Brethern, just their doctrine.

You need to read my last post on "five questions".

 

[convicted1]

Bro. OR, you asked me this question,"While I have your attention why did you close your thread "Five Questions"?}

Then you stated "I know you didn't!"

I thought maybe someone could close their own thread according to your question. I was just answering you question.

BTW, are you related to any Bakers in WVa? My grandfather(mom's dad) was a Baker from around Oak Hill/Lockgelly/Lockgally area.

 

[OldRegular]

Bro. OR, you asked me this question,"While I have your attention why did you close your thread "Five Questions"?}

Then you stated "I know you didn't!"

I thought maybe someone could close their own thread according to your question. I was just answering you question.

I was pulling your leg, metaphorically!

BTW, are you related to any Bakers in WVa? My grandfather(mom's dad) was a Baker from around Oak Hill/Lockgelly/Lockgally area.

Not that I know about!