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Calvinists can't stand when smart people don't agree with them.

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Herald

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12strings and Herald, I will say I have seen no evidence from either of you which would suggest your unwillingness to learn from a non-Calvinistic believer.

With all due respect, neither of us exist to provide evidence for the other. But it just so happens that I've learned quite a number of things from non-Calvinists.
 

Skandelon

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"Calvinists can't stand when smart people don't agree with them."

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. I have met no Arminians that truly fear God, choosing instead the man-centered doctrines that deny God's sovereign grace. Therefore, those who reject the tenets of Calvinism are not all that smart. They may be highly educated, but that is another matter. What I "can't stand" is the perversion of God's Word that places the brunt of the salvation act on men.

I rest my case!!! :laugh:
 

preacher4truth

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I know I sure am. The BB is not a good place anymore. :(

But I can say that God has used it to help me learn and for that I'm grateful. It's just time to go now.

Wise words...and a sad choice that is probably beneficial and wise as well. Several of us have made attempts to address things via the rules and protocol here. Many attempts. Not even a response was given in reply. Then looking at the OP we have a continuance of the same nonsense. I'm happy for one Amy that you examined things and came to a greater understanding. That right there shows maturity and humility.
 

Alive in Christ

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Originally Posted by mont974x4
"Calvinists can't stand when smart people don't agree with them."


The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. I have met no Arminians that truly fear God, choosing instead the man-centered doctrines that deny God's sovereign grace. Therefore, those who reject the tenets of Calvinism are not all that smart. They may be highly educated, but that is another matter. What I "can't stand" is the perversion of God's Word that places the brunt of the salvation act on men.

Unbelievable. Stunning. Almost comical
 

InTheLight

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I am amazed (not really) that Calvinists can be accused (their doctrine too) of having satan as a father and father of their teachings.

How lightly we take him, even in jest and in using this heinous being to identify other believers and their doctrine.

And then laugh about it.

While I wouldn't go so far as to say Calvinism is of Satan, take a look at the article cited by the OP. Here is Piper's own words regarding Chesterton's book:

Nothing in this Calvinism-abominating book....

So Piper's opinion of non-Calvinists is that they are abominating? Nice...
 

annsni

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I've noticed that Calvinists can't seem to stand it when obviously smart and well respected believers are known to be non-Calvinistic. Men like AW Tozer, GK Chesterton, JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis and the like are examples of this.

I stumbled upon this article where Piper attempts to adopt such great writers into their very 'small' Calvinistic perspective and it just made me giggle inside. I thought some of you might enjoy it. :godisgood:

http://www.mjaybennett.com/2008/05/piper-on-gk-chesterton-and-calvinism.html

HUH?? Did you read the article? It has nothing to do with Calvinists not standing something. I think your jaded sunglasses really need some cleaning.
 

Herald

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With all due respect, neither of us exist to provide evidence for the other. But it just so happens that I've learned quite a number of things from non-Calvinists.

Skan, another member of the BB brought to my attention that I misread your post. You wrote:

I will say I have seen no evidence from either of you which would suggest your unwillingness to learn from a non-Calvinistic believer.

I responded as though you said were asserting I was unwilling to learn from a non-Calvinist. I'm guilty of misrepresenting you and of being ungracious in my words. I humbly apologize and ask for your forgiveness.
 

preacher4truth

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While I wouldn't go so far as to say Calvinism is of Satan, take a look at the article cited by the OP. Here is Piper's own words regarding Chesterton's book:

Nothing in this Calvinism-abominating book....

So Piper's opinion of non-Calvinists is that they are abominating? Nice...

Did he say that was what non-calvinists were, or did he say it was the THE BOOK that was?

????

It's the latter not the former.

And he's right.
 
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preacher4truth

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HUH?? Did you read the article? It has nothing to do with Calvinists not standing something. I think your jaded sunglasses really need some cleaning.

Yup, exactly. The OP is a horrendous representation of the article. You can certainly tell what mind set one was in when reading it: total disdain for the cal brothers. If in fact he actually read it.

Not that this is shocking. It's an ongoing agenda. Thread after thread.
 

preacher4truth

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A distinction without a difference.

Only to fit your mindset. Piper said nothing toward Chesterton that was evil in intention. Your conclusions are merely reflecting your bias against truth.

Thus the distinction is a VAST difference and you are being disingenuous.

Here's the facts; You accuse Piper of saying this toward a man and 'non-calvinists'. This is an untrue and baseless accusation, none of this took place at all. It's pure fabrication, fantasticalism and emotionalism on your part and there is nothing to back it up.

Pipers comments were about the book and what it said.

Now answer the question, was his comment about the Book or about 'non-calvinists' as you accuse so I can judge how honest a man you really are.

Note he called it a CALVINIST-abominating book...he never even came CLOSE to saying non-cals are abominating which is your erroneous and baseless conclusion. Simmer down.
 
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Amy.G

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The OP serves no purpose other than to stir up trouble. And started by a moderator no less. If the moderators act this way, there is no hope for this board.
 

preacher4truth

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The OP serves no purpose other than to stir up trouble. And started by a moderator no less. If the moderators act this way, there is no hope for this board.

You're correct.

Not to mention it totally misrepresents the article it links. To top that nonsense off we have one concluding that Piper, who calls a book 'Calvinist-abominating' is calling 'non-cals' abominating. I have to laugh at this ludicrous and unfounded charge.

These are two perfect examples of reading and subsequently arriving at illogical and baseless conclusions. Both subjects are non-cals.

Go figure.

They probably can't stand it when I (and many others) continually point out their glaringly obvious blunders. :thumbsup: :wavey:
 
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InTheLight

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Only to fit your mindset. Piper said nothing toward Chesterton that was evil in intention. Your conclusions are merely reflecting your bias against truth.

Thus the distinction is a VAST difference and you are being disingenuous.

Here's the facts; You accuse Piper of saying this toward a man and 'non-calvinists'. This is an untrue and baseless accusation, none of this took place at all. It's pure fabrication, fantasticalism and emotionalism on your part and there is nothing to back it up.

Pipers comments were about the book and what it said.

Now answer the question, was his comment about the Book or about 'non-calvinists' as you accuse so I can judge how honest a man you really are.

Note he called it a CALVINIST-abominating book...he never even came CLOSE to saying non-cals are abominating which is your erroneous and baseless conclusion. Simmer down.

OK, back into the killfile with thee.
 

InTheLight

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Don't you just love those who do all they possibly can to stir the pot, and then suggest that YOU need to simmer down. Incredible.

It is breathtaking.

But everyone who reads my posts on BB knows I'm a fantastic, emotional liar who never cites references, so what can I say?
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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:) Just stay exactly like you are, if someone gets their knickers in knot, just chillax and let it roll.

And Im guessing that a Moderator startin a post thread with "Calvinists can't stand when smart people don't agree with them" has no repercussions?

Lets face facts, that is just kicking dirt in the face of every Calvinist in here......no wonder there is a mass exodus & it aint just Calvies, or haven't you noticed..... :cool:
 
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