Calvinists can't stand when smart people don't agree with them.

[quantumfaith]

And Im guessing that a Moderator startin a post thread with "Calvinists can't stand when smart people don't agree with them" has no repercussions?

Lets face facts, that is just kicking dirt in the face of every Calvinist in here......no wonder there is a mass exodus & it aint just Calvies, or haven't you noticed.....

I think you know, Skan, has much more character than that. Provocative perhaps, in order to stimulate discussion, I never see him being disrespectful though.

Everyone, at times, feels the desire to take their toys to another playground. Passions often run way to high, and all of us take ourselves way too serious some times.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I think you know, Skan, has much more character than that. Provocative perhaps, in order to stimulate discussion, I never see him being disrespectful though.

Everyone, at times, feels the desire to take their toys to another playground. Passions often run way to high, and all of us take ourselves way too serious some times.

I know no such thing & your cheer leading of the individual is very upsetting & that was a blatant mark of disrespect for which he personally should be ashamed. And by your acknowledging his tactics as provocative in order to stimulate conversation makes me wonder about your judgment.

You want conversation, talk about Christ & argue as to the best way to minister to the Poor, the downtrodden, the Widows & the Orphans. Im done here!

 

[quantumfaith]

I know no such thing & your cheer leading of the individual is very upsetting & that was a blatant mark of disrespect for which he personally should be ashamed. And by your acknowledging his tactics as provocative in order to stimulate conversation makes me wonder about your judgment.

You want conversation, talk about Christ & argue as to the best way to minister to the Poor, the downtrodden, the Widows & the Orphans. Im done here!

Sorry you feel that way. Bye

 

[Skandelon]

I think you know, Skan, has much more character than that. Provocative perhaps, in order to stimulate discussion, I never see him being disrespectful though.

Everyone, at times, feels the desire to take their toys to another playground. Passions often run way to high, and all of us take ourselves way too serious some times.

Wow, I never expected these types of reactions, but they kind of support the premise of the OP, don't they?

I've already admitted the OP wasn't worded the best, and I think 12strings is probably right to some degree regarding his point about neither side really liking having smart people disagree with us. I was merely pointing to the distain with which Calvinists tend to treat non-Calvinists, as if we just can't possibly think of God's greatness, beauty and glory like they can. (See Mont974x4's post as proof)

As Heir pointed out, Piper is insulting Non-Calvinists in a very bold and clear manner. And the blog that I referenced about Tozer which linked to Piper's article better represents the point I was attempting to make, but clearly some can't have a rational discussion about certain personal observations with a little give and take without taking things personally. So be it. This thread is pretty mild compared to many started by Calvinists here over the years so I'm not sure what the beef is all about...

...me thinketh thou protest too much. (maybe I hit a nerve?) :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Berean]

When we get to heaven there will be a large group of Calvinist there, also a large group of free willers but the biggest group will be the ones who don't know the difference.

 

[quantumfaith]

When we get to heaven there will be a large group of Calvinist there, also a large group of free willers but the biggest group will be the ones who don't know the difference.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Oops sorry, that might be interpreted as "cheerleading".

 

[HeirofSalvation]

...me thinketh thou protest too much. (maybe I hit a nerve?)

Precisely...:type:.....Much to the chagrin of many, not all. I can think of several Cals, many who haunt this board; who no more took it personally than the man in the moon. Most of them....didn't even post. Why? it didn't apply to them. Their reaction could probably be safely summed up as to have been "" One or two...did respond, (12strings) but they didn't make the same types of posts as say Mont who has done a lovely job of supporting the premise of the OP.

If it pleases the court:

satan is the smartest created being, he does not agree with God, so whats the OP point?

(NKJV)Hebrews 5:12-14
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. [13] For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. [14] But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. I have met no Arminians that truly fear God, choosing instead the man-centered doctrines that deny God's sovereign grace. Therefore, those who reject the tenets of Calvinism are not all that smart. They may be highly educated, but that is another matter. What I "can't stand" is the perversion of God's Word that places the brunt of the salvation act on men.

There are many possibilities here;

1] He has a reason in His providence

2] Some truths are necessary for an individual person,and not for another...because of who they will interact with in life

3] Some have come to partial truth....and stop looking into it

4] Some desire more truth, pray ,and it is granted

5] some violate other scriptural principles, so truth is witheld from them

6] some have received bad teaching which hinders truth from being welcomed

7]some have a fear of man

8] some have a proud spirit...God resists them

9]some are not actual believers. they profess to be, have an outward form of religion, but do not know Jesus.
10]some cannot read , or are in other ways feeble mentally...so cannot grasp some things

11] having some truths that are harder to grasp,causes many to have to study more,and not assume they "have it all"

12] charismatic distractions,and errors

13] emotional issues ,causing resistance...with having God be God.

14] Some are used by satan to cast doubt on God's word

15] pride of life, thinking that they know more than all the church has held, they alone have a view that no one else has


these are a few quick ones.....keep in mind we are all still learning....so a person found in one of these categories does not have to remain there.
As they mature they can transition out of any of these.

Your Witness...

No one ever takes offense at suggestions or accusations that are so ridiculous and off the wall as to be laughable. Take a bow Skan...you have at least proved one thing....presumably, you're a smart guy yourself :thumbsup:
But only because God has according the purposes of his perfect will Sovereignly decreed thus.

 

[psalms109:31]

John 3:17
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

1 Timothy 2

Instructions on Worship

2 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying —and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.

Can we reconcile scripture to a point where our faith(noun) is our own and not from God?

Spurgeon really changed my perspective on Calvinism.

If we don't [acknowledge, believe in, or trust(verb)] in the grace of God that came to us through His Son Jesus Christ can we really say that we possess it?

Everyone does not deserve saving, but everyone needs it.

 

[mandym]

I know no such thing & your cheer leading of the individual is very upsetting & that was a blatant mark of disrespect for which he personally should be ashamed. And by your acknowledging his tactics as provocative in order to stimulate conversation makes me wonder about your judgment.

You want conversation, talk about Christ & argue as to the best way to minister to the Poor, the downtrodden, the Widows & the Orphans. Im done here!

It is no worse than half the things calvies say on this board all the time. Of course of a clavie says it then it is justified.

 

[Havensdad]

Wow, I never expected these types of reactions, but they kind of support the premise of the OP, don't they?

I've already admitted the OP wasn't worded the best, and I think 12strings is probably right to some degree regarding his point about neither side really liking having smart people disagree with us. I was merely pointing to the distain with which Calvinists tend to treat non-Calvinists, as if we just can't possibly think of God's greatness, beauty and glory like they can. (See Mont974x4's post as proof)

As Heir pointed out, Piper is insulting Non-Calvinists in a very bold and clear manner. And the blog that I referenced about Tozer which linked to Piper's article better represents the point I was attempting to make, but clearly some can't have a rational discussion about certain personal observations with a little give and take without taking things personally. So be it. This thread is pretty mild compared to many started by Calvinists here over the years so I'm not sure what the beef is all about...

...me thinketh thou protest too much. (maybe I hit a nerve?) :smilewinkgrin:

I think Piper was dead on the money. He was not "insulting" non-calvinists. Only the most over-sensitive and touchy person would get that from Piper's statements. Piper did nothing more than state that investigating the other side of the issues, drove home his affirmation of the sovereignty of God even more.

Three things come to my mind when I read the title and OP of this thread:

#1 You need to grow up. Seriously. You cannot keep accusing 5 pointers of being obstinate and argumentative, when many of the arguments and obstinate silliness that breaks out on these threads, continually originates with you. You need to mature a little, and quit trying to affirm yourself by bashing the other side.

#2 This thread yet again confirms who it is that is continually causing problems and starting arguments. I am tired of hearing how Cals are always argumentative. I wonder how many of these types of threads they endured, before they finally could not take it anymore?

#3 You have no business being a moderator.

 

[webdog]

When we get to heaven there will be a large group of Calvinist there, also a large group of free willers but the biggest group will be the ones who don't know the difference.

Unfortunately you are right...and those will be the ones with the least rewards, or who are there "by the skin of their teeth" :tear:

 

[webdog]

I think Piper was dead on the money. He was not "insulting" non-calvinists. Only the most over-sensitive and touchy person would get that from Piper's statements. Piper did nothing more than state that investigating the other side of the issues, drove home his affirmation of the sovereignty of God even more.

Yeah...because he came to Christ AS a calvinist

Three things come to my mind when I read the title and OP of this thread:

#1 You need to grow up. Seriously. You cannot keep accusing 5 pointers of being obstinate and argumentative, when many of the arguments and obstinate silliness that breaks out on these threads, continually originates with you. You need to mature a little, and quit trying to affirm yourself by bashing the other side.

Personal attack on a moderator.

#2 This thread yet again confirms who it is that is continually causing problems and starting arguments. I am tired of hearing how Cals are always argumentative. I wonder how many of these types of threads they endured, before they finally could not take it anymore?

Ironic. I don't see you calling out your own for doing the same.

#3 You have no business being a moderator.

Personal attack #2. Apparently we know why you are not one.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Glad you can speak for the Calvinists, I can't. I suspect that the earliest churches believed what they were taught by such as John, Paul, Peter, James, and so on. Exactly what they teach us!

Yes, I expect so, and not a trace of the "Calvinist" beliefs can be found in the teachings of the earliest churches and the early fathers.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

"Calvinists can't stand when smart people don't agree with them."

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. I have met no Arminians that truly fear God, choosing instead the man-centered doctrines that deny God's sovereign grace. Therefore, those who reject the tenets of Calvinism are not all that smart. They may be highly educated, but that is another matter. What I "can't stand" is the perversion of God's Word that places the brunt of the salvation act on men.

Painting with a rather large brush there, aren't you? In doing so, you are leaving gaps and holes in your sketch. Or to be more accurate, what you post is just plain baloney and false.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I know I sure am. The BB is not a good place anymore.

But I can say that God has used it to help me learn and for that I'm grateful. It's just time to go now.

Why? Because someone disagrees with you and can back up those beliefs?

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Wise words...and a sad choice that is probably beneficial and wise as well. Several of us have made attempts to address things via the rules and protocol here. Many attempts. Not even a response was given in reply. Then looking at the OP we have a continuance of the same nonsense. I'm happy for one Amy that you examined things and came to a greater understanding. That right there shows maturity and humility.

Oh, please; stop the sanctimoniousness.

 

[webdog]

The OP serves no purpose other than to stir up trouble. And started by a moderator no less. If the moderators act this way, there is no hope for this board.

The OP brings up something I have noticed for quite a while...that "intellectuals" WILL eventually become calvinists, and those who are not just are not that intelligent or are too prideful to "get it". Surely you remember your second (or third, or fourth ) stint as a non-cal...and your dialogue with Luke about not being that smart, don't you? Does your return to calvinism for your second (or third...) time make you forget that?

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Wow, I never expected these types of reactions, but they kind of support the premise of the OP, don't they?

I've already admitted the OP wasn't worded the best, and I think 12strings is probably right to some degree regarding his point about neither side really liking having smart people disagree with us. I was merely pointing to the distain with which Calvinists tend to treat non-Calvinists, as if we just can't possibly think of God's greatness, beauty and glory like they can. (See Mont974x4's post as proof)

As Heir pointed out, Piper is insulting Non-Calvinists in a very bold and clear manner. And the blog that I referenced about Tozer which linked to Piper's article better represents the point I was attempting to make, but clearly some can't have a rational discussion about certain personal observations with a little give and take without taking things personally. So be it. This thread is pretty mild compared to many started by Calvinists here over the years so I'm not sure what the beef is all about...

...me thinketh thou protest too much. (maybe I hit a nerve?) :smilewinkgrin:

I agree with you 100% -- because you are 100% right.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

It is no worse than half the things calvies say on this board all the time. Of course of a clavie says it then it is justified.

...and predestined.

 

[Havensdad]

Yeah...because he came to Christ AS a calvinist

Three things come to my mind when I read the title and OP of this thread:

Personal attack on a moderator.
Ironic. I don't see you calling out your own for doing the same.

Personal attack #2. Apparently we know why you are not one.

I am not attacking anyone. This whole thread is nothing but a personal attack. It is immature and silly.

And yes, as a matter of fact I HAVE reproved those on "my side" for doing the same thing. I have no problem with rigorous debate of the issue. But attacking someone who is simply asserting that reading the opposite side further solidified his own position, is just ridiculous and immature. We should cheer someone for such investigation, not chide them for it.