Calvnism getting hammered lately on this board

[BobRyan]

Observation: if you look at all the currently active threads it appears that Calvinism is getting hammered.

Question: Where are all the Calvinists that were so active not so long ago on this board?

This is not a thread for debating Calvinism -- we have lots of them if you want to post in favor or against it. I am just curious about where everyone has gone on the Calvinist side.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Iconoclast]

Observation: if you look at all the currently active threads it appears that Calvinism is getting hammered.

Question: Where are all the Calvinists that were so active not so long ago on this board?

This is not a thread for debating Calvinism -- we have lots of them if you want to post in favor or against it. I am just curious about where everyone has gone on the Calvinist side.

in Christ,

Bob

Everyone is here. They no longer respond to your posts as every verse is out of context. You failed to answer the bell on jn 12;32:sleeping_2::sleeping_2::sleeping_2:

 

[BobRyan]

Everyone is here. They no longer respond to your posts

how "wonderful" if we could all just "imagine" that I am the only arminian posting on this board and the reason the Calvinists have fallen so silent is because they are all so afraid of BobRyan's posts, and only I post.

But if you check the actual active posts out recently you will find that I am not the only Arminian posting - yet the Calvinist response is retreat/re-active/silence/avoidance as you demonstrate in your post.

I am curious -- is this all that is left? Has it come to this?

 

[Iconoclast]

how "wonderful" if we could all just "imagine" that I am the only arminian posting on this board and the reason the Calvinists have fallen so silent is because they are all so afraid of BobRyan's posts, and only I post.

But if you check the actual active posts out recently you will find that I am not the only Arminian posting - yet the Calvinist response is retreat/re-active/silence/avoidance as you demonstrate in your post.

I am curious -- is this all that is left? Has it come to this?

Most Cals understand this is not a game. Your posting is foolish and usually are thread killers.

If you notice....they do interact with serious minded posters who have honest questions ...go back and read and you will see this:thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Alcott]

It was predestined to happen.

 

[Iconoclast]

It was predestined to happen.

Do you believe that anything that happens...was not ordained to happen?

As we post...some are getting saved, some are heading to second death full speed ahead:thumbs:

 

[BobRyan]

If you notice....they do interact with serious minded poster

I notice that few of them are active and what they post tends to be highly defensive as in your case - ignoring the most glaring problems from scripture in many cases.

They may think this is 'compelling' for the objective unbiased readers - but their defensive POV is clearly clouding their vision in that regard.

in any case - the number of them posting or even addressing the more serious bible problems for Calvinism presented here - is almost at zero.

You apparently have no answer other than to pretend not to notice.

Others who may have insight on why they are avoiding the Bible texts raised - may wish to reply a bit less defensively and with more acceptance of the detail points raised.

 

[plain_n_simple]

I don't think Cals have been hammered, but challenged. But why would they accept every challenge? They are solid in their beliefs. And I have to acknowledge that Icon and a few others are very studious and quite the formidable foe in discussions. We all get a bit snippy and perhaps childish in responses, but that's debate on the net. I would not count it a victory because Cals are not vocal.

 

[thatbrian]

Most Cals understand this is not a game. Your posting is foolish and usually are thread killers.

If you notice....they do interact with serious minded posters who have honest questions ...go back and read and you will see this:thumbs::thumbs:

Amen!

I will debate all day long, but not with someone who will not be corrected by scripture, logic or even acknowledge a valid point made by his opponent. Also, proof-texting is not debate. It's tiresome and gets us nowhere. It's the philosophy behind Calvin and Arminius that needs to be looked at. The big picture, not verses yanked out of and interpreted outside of their context.

 

[Revmitchell]

Amen!

I will debate all day long, but not with someone who will not be corrected by scripture, logic or even acknowledge a valid point made by his opponent.

In other words you will only debate people who agree with you. Oh wait...that is not debate.

 

[Iconoclast]

Amen!

I will debate all day long, but not with someone who will not be corrected by scripture, logic or even acknowledge a valid point made by his opponent. Also, proof-texting is not debate. It's tiresome and gets us nowhere. It's the philosophy behind Calvin and Arminius that needs to be looked at. The big picture, not verses yanked out of and interpreted outside of their context.

If a person gets several answers from several people and just ignores the answers and repost error.....was he sincere to begin with?
Others who are sincere work through and interact with the post.
BR.....has failed to give a rational explanation for jn12:32

He tries in vain to patch together Romans 2....with Hebrews 8 in a truly mystical way which no responsible commentator, pastor, or teacher would ever do.
When questioned he avoids it and repost his own out of context mistakes and novelties.

 

[BobRyan]

Amen!

I will debate all day long, but not with someone who will not be corrected by scripture, logic or even acknowledge a valid point made by his opponent. Also, proof-texting is not debate.

"Who will not be corrected by scripture" and then -- oh wait when you do have scripture I cannot answer - well then that is "proof-texting".

That is a run-away strategy folks.

I am asking why the Calvinist position is in such overt rapid retreat. It can be seen as they abandon thread after thread - and turn a blind eye to irrefutable text list after irrefutable text list.

I do not recall Calvinists on this board in the past using such full scale retreat tactics.

What has happened here???

The truth is that if you keep scripture out of the thread - Calvinists in retreat may not be so inclined to flee the thread.

 

[BobRyan]

If a person gets several answers from several people and just ignores the answers and repost error.....was he sincere to begin with?
Others who are sincere work through and interact with the post.
BR.....has failed to give a rational explanation for jn12:32

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Until you read my half dozen or so posts on John 12:32.

you are free to differ with them - no matter how irrational your differences.

Let the readers decide.

My point is that Calvinists are using run-away tactics trying to find any excuse they can to adopt full scale retreat tactics.

What is up with that?

I don't recall this as the Calvinist "solution" so much in the past.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I don't think Cals have been hammered, but challenged. But why would they accept every challenge? They are solid in their beliefs. And I have to acknowledge that Icon and a few others are very studious and quite the formidable foe in discussions. We all get a bit snippy and perhaps childish in responses, but that's debate on the net. I would not count it a victory because Cals are not vocal.

My post is not that this or that Calvinist is snippy or even mean spirited. My thread is about the fact that if you look at the top 10 most active threads that get daily or almost daily activity - you will find that the number of active Calvinist posters has dropped to almost nil.

This thread is not to claim that Calvinism is wrong or to debate a single point of it - just asking why their activity has gone to almost nothing.

SavedByMercy is currently the most active Calvinist posting - and yet you will find no Calvinists trying to help her out.

They can't "blame everybody" for not posting. Either the issues coming up are just too hard for Calvinists to solve - or they are adopting some sort of new "run a way" strategy that I don't recall them using before - or maybe they are simply taking time off for the new year and holiday.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

In a response to ThatBriah we have --

In other words you will only debate people who agree with you. Oh wait...that is not debate.

I take it then I am not the only one that has noticed the retreat that has been going on here by Calvinists.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Don]

Observation: if you look at all the currently active threads it appears that Calvinism is getting hammered.

I am not a calvanist.

"Hammered"? Bob, this statement sounds arrogant. The goal shouldn't be to "hammer"; but to sharpen.

I offer this as a caution. I'm reminded of Galatians 6:1.

 

[BobRyan]

I am not a calvanist.

"Hammered"? Bob, this statement sounds arrogant. The goal shouldn't be to "hammer"; but to sharpen.

I offer this as a caution. I'm reminded of Galatians 6:1.

On this thread I am not trying to single out any Calvinist in particular - I speak of the doctrine - Calvin"ism", though some have offered a snippy or mean spirited comment at times - that is not the point of this thread.

I point out that no matter the focus of the other active threads, no matter if you consider the calvinst post to be snippy - when you look at the active threads - it appears we are down to a very very few Calvinists posting. Even in the case of SavedByMercy who is posting as a Calvinist prolifically these days - almost no Calvinist will bother to take the time to help her -

And often when they do post it is a very defensive in-full-retreat post of the form "here is why I do not answer those difficult Bible texts that you remind us of" or "here is why I run from this or that thread" etc.

I am not Calvinist - but as I recall in times past this is not how the Calvinists were promoting their particular view.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Here we have a classic example - "Reformed" posts a quote from Spurgeon and when that quote is compared to certain "inconvenient Bible texts" #12 The Calvinist posts (by others ) that follow seek only to justify the idea of avoiding the texts - ducking out of responding substantively to the point raised.

I don't remember when this was the "only" Calvinist "solution" to their dilemma.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[thatbrian]

"Who will not be corrected by scripture" and then -- oh wait when you do have scripture I cannot answer - well then that is "proof-texting".

That is a run-away strategy folks.

I am asking why the Calvinist position is in such overt rapid retreat. It can be seen as they abandon thread after thread - and turn a blind eye to irrefutable text list after irrefutable text list.

I do not recall Calvinists on this board in the past using such full scale retreat tactics.

What has happened here???

The truth is that if you keep scripture out of the thread - Calvinists in retreat may not be so inclined to flee the thread.

You don't debate well, Bob. You are out to win and not persuade. You show no respect for you opponents because your replies clearly demonstrate that you are not interacting with them. You ignore them and dump the same truckload of proof texts on them. You also don't stick to the point. In short, speaking for myself, I won't waste anymore time with folks who play at this like you do. Not sure how old you are but there is some immaturity in the way you come across here, maybe that's why you are getting ignored. On that note, I will join the ignorers because I'm here for serious, honest, mature, Christian debate. The kind of interaction that helps other come to a position of truth, not the kind that "hammers" them.

Over and out.

 

[BobRyan]

For those actually reading "the details" of this thread - I am not asking why Calvinists love to post mean spirited responses to some questions that I have asked... my question is about the general lack of Calvinist responses on active threads - no matter who they choose to abuse in their responses.

They just appear to be AWOL in general on the more active threads. I don't remember when this was the only response/solution that they had in the past.

You say "You also don't stick to the point" but offer no proof/example in real life that this is actually true. Is that a standard practice for Calvinists or simply wishful thinking in that one post?

However no matter how mean spirited the post - I do appreciate that a few Calvinists are willing to post "something" here .

As for my posts - I have noted that it is true "in general" that when I get a "taking my toys and going home " response from Calvinists - as their solution to some irrefutable Bible texts I present to them , (texts that don't fit well in Calvinism) -- I have just found a gold mine "irrefutable" argument - one that they cannot answer "sola scriptura" so they are choosing "the other option" in those cases.

A perfect example of that is #12

I don't think I have one of those "irrefutable" posts on every current thread -- so I don't have a good explanation for why they are so absent in general here.