Originally Posted by
BobRyan
Recall that we are establishing the fact that God is telling the "truth" when He claims to "Convict the World of Sin and righteousness and judgment" and also to "draw ALL unto ME" John 12:32 -- and "STAND at the door and knock" Rev 3
In Romans 2 where you imagine no success cases at all for the gentiles - Paul shows that under the Gospel some Gentiles are lost - and some are saved just as is the case with the Jews.
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Romans 2
4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
this chapter is in the context of the "Kindness of God" and of "repentance"
6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.
9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God. 12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;
Next we see the NEW Covenant promise of the LAW written on the heart in Heb 8 found in Romans 2 for the gentiles who have no Bible at all.
13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
In that last verse above we find "Gospel" Judgment - not "no Gospel at all" as some have imagined.
And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
In that quote above we find the example of saved Gentiles who condemn those Jews that are lost and the work of the Holy Spirit on the saved - both Jew and Gentile - which is how the gentiles ended up with the Romans 2:13-16 Law of God written on their hearts - in true New Covenant fashion.
"Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31
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Were we simply 'not supposed to notice'?? Surely you knew we would 'notice' these details in Romans 2 and 3:31 and Hebrews 8.
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Originally Posted by
BobRyan
I am advocating the obvious point that Paul is telling the truth in Romans 2.
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Romans 2
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13 for
it is not the hearers of the Law
who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that
they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16
on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
In that last verse above we find "Gospel" Judgment - not "no Gospel at all" as some have imagined.
And he who is
physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter
of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But
he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and
circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
In that quote above we find the example of saved Gentiles who condemn those Jews that are lost and the work of the Holy Spirit on the saved - both Jew and Gentile - which is how the gentiles ended up with the Romans 2:13-16 Law of God written on their hearts - in true New Covenant fashion.
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Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31