can A baptist Believe In Theistic Evolution?

[quantumfaith]

It's never a waste of time around here. Apologies I think my attempt to add levity to a super-charged thread didn't work. :saint:

These guys were asking if you could prove you're "Baptist" enough. I threw something out that I thought would be helpful for you but clearly it wasn't.

I hate it when my vocal inflection doesn't come through my keyboard. :BangHead:

A couple of weeks ago at a Bible study one of our more, um, fundamental brothers got hot and bothered by something somebody said that had little to do with actual Christianity. He accused the guy of being heterodox and not a believer. The other guy didn't know what to do so I started asking him the same questions I asked you. Towards the end I just recited the baptism ceremony from the Godfather...it was humorous for the guys in our group...tried it here and it didn't work. Apologies for my silliness.

No offense intended. :flower:

Thank you for the levity, I too am often misunderstood making the same attempt. Blessings

 

[Deacon]

Psalms were not the writings of Moses.

A PRAYER OF MOSES, THE MAN OF GOD.
Psalm 90:title (ESV) :tongue3:

Are things getting hot in here?

Oh, and there's another instance right in the creation accounts:

These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
Genesis 2:4 (ESV)


The “numbered days” thingy is a red herring.
The argument looks strong but isn't after you study it out,
its weaknesses are quite evident.

Although it’s quite tedious, I challenge you to examine just the 42 instances where the word “day” is used with a number in Genesis.

Genesis 1:3,5,8,13,19,23, 31;
2:2,3;
7::4, 10, 12, 17, 24;
8:3,4,5,6,10,12,13,14;
17:12
21:4
22:4
24:55
27:45
30:36
31:22,23
33:13
34:25
39:11
40:12,13,18,19,20
42:17, 18
50:3 (x2),10

It’s quite clear (to me) that the times the word “day” with a number is used in the creation accounts are quite different from the way the word “day” is used in the later Genesis passages.

Rob

 

[Steadfast Fred]

A PRAYER OF MOSES, THE MAN OF GOD.
Psalm 90:title (ESV) :tongue3:

Are things getting hot in here?

Oh, and there's another instance right in the creation accounts:

These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
Genesis 2:4 (ESV)


The “numbered days” thingy is a red herring.
The argument looks strong but isn't after you study it out,
its weaknesses are quite evident.

Although it’s quite tedious, I challenge you to examine just the 42 instances where the word “day” is used with a number in Genesis.

Genesis 1:3,5,8,13,19,23, 31;
2:2,3;
7::4, 10, 12, 17, 24;
8:3,4,5,6,10,12,13,14;
17:12
21:4
22:4
24:55
27:45
30:36
31:22,23
33:13
34:25
39:11
40:12,13,18,19,20
42:17, 18
50:3 (x2),10

It’s quite clear (to me) that the times the word “day” with a number in the creation accounts are quite different from the way the word “day” in the later Genesis passages.

Rob

What is quite clear is that God understands 'day' differently than man.

Moses never understood a day to mean 'x' amount of years. Nor did he ever understand it to mean 'x amount of months... or weeks.

A day was a day then as a day is a day now. Measured from evening to evening.... a day.

 

[quantumfaith]

double post,

 

[quantumfaith]

A PRAYER OF MOSES, THE MAN OF GOD.
Psalm 90:title (ESV) :tongue3:

Are things getting hot in here?

Oh, and there's another instance right in the creation accounts:

These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
Genesis 2:4 (ESV)


The “numbered days” thingy is a red herring.
The argument looks strong but isn't after you study it out,
its weaknesses are quite evident.

Although it’s quite tedious, I challenge you to examine just the 42 instances where the word “day” is used with a number in Genesis.

Genesis 1:3,5,8,13,19,23, 31;
2:2,3;
7::4, 10, 12, 17, 24;
8:3,4,5,6,10,12,13,14;
17:12
21:4
22:4
24:55
27:45
30:36
31:22,23
33:13
34:25
39:11
40:12,13,18,19,20
42:17, 18
50:3 (x2),10

It’s quite clear (to me) that the times the word “day” with a number is used in the creation accounts are quite different from the way the word “day” is used in the later Genesis passages.

Rob

Yes, Bob, it seems at reasonably evident to me that "time" takes on a "new dimension" following the "neshama" of mankind.

 

[DHK]

I am not sure what you are getting at Deacon.
I took your challenge and looked at just one reference that I chose at random.

And it was told Laban on the third day that Jacob was fled.
And he took his brethren with him, and pursued after him seven days' journey; and they overtook him in the mount Gilead. (Genesis 31:22-23)

Are you saying that these references do not refer to 24 hour periods. I don't buy it. They sure look like 24 hour period days to me.

 

[jaigner]

Whoopde Doo...

Dr. Otto J. Helweg has a degree from Fuller. Find someone without a liberal degree.

Fuller is not a liberal school. That is preposterous.

 

[Deacon]

I am not sure what you are getting at Deacon.
I took your challenge and looked at just one reference that I chose at random.

And it was told Laban on the third day that Jacob was fled.
And he took his brethren with him, and pursued after him seven days' journey; and they overtook him in the mount Gilead. (Genesis 31:22-23)

Are you saying that these references do not refer to 24 hour periods. I don't buy it. They sure look like 24 hour period days to me.

The later verses communicate a passage of time that relate to man alone.

Rob

 

[DHK]

The later verses communicate a passage of time that relate to man alone.

Rob

God didn't write the Bible to educate himself. Genesis was written to give a historical account from the creation of the world and man to the end of the life of Joseph. The narrative picks up with the Book of Exodus. Jesus attributes all five books to Mosaic authorship.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I am not sure what you are getting at Deacon.
I took your challenge and looked at just one reference that I chose at random.

And it was told Laban on the third day that Jacob was fled.
And he took his brethren with him, and pursued after him seven days' journey; and they overtook him in the mount Gilead. (Genesis 31:22-23)

Are you saying that these references do not refer to 24 hour periods. I don't buy it. They sure look like 24 hour period days to me.

Why, DHK, don't you realize it took them 38 million years to catch up with Jacob? They would have caught up with him sooner, but they had to circumvent a 63 million year old dinosaur who just wouldn't get out of their way.:tonofbricks:

 

[quantumfaith]

Why, DHK, don't you realize it took them 38 million years to catch up with Jacob? They would have caught up with him sooner, but they had to circumvent a 63 million year old dinosaur who just wouldn't get out of their way.:tonofbricks:

I am just guessing here, but you think that dinosaurs are simply a hoax of paleontologists?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I am just guessing here, but you think that dinosaurs are simply a hoax of paleontologists?

I believe dinosaurs existed. While the term 'dinosaur' is a fairly modern term, they were known by other names in Bible times; i.e., dragons, behemoth, leviathan, etc..

What is a hoax, is the alleged age of dinosaurs and the alleged time they became extinct.

Of course, people had to make the dinosaurs that old to strengthen the hoax of a 65 million year old earth.

 

[quantumfaith]

I believe dinosaurs existed. While the term 'dinosaur' is a fairly modern term, they were known by other names in Bible times; i.e., dragons, behemoth, leviathan, etc..

What is a hoax, is the alleged age of dinosaurs and the alleged time they became extinct.

Of course, people had to make the dinosaurs that old to strengthen the hoax of a 65 million year old earth.

And by this you mean that all the various species of "dinosaurs" were in existence simultaneous with mankind?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

They indeed were.

They are actually only a matter of hours (not years) older than Adam.

 

[Winman]

I believe dinosaurs existed. While the term 'dinosaur' is a fairly modern term, they were known by other names in Bible times; i.e., dragons, behemoth, leviathan, etc..

What is a hoax, is the alleged age of dinosaurs and the alleged time they became extinct.

Of course, people had to make the dinosaurs that old to strengthen the hoax of a 65 million year old earth.

I agree here. There is a wealth of evidence that dinosaurs lived in the very recent past. There is ancient art from many civilizations showing dinosaurs, often revealing details that weren't confirmed until the last few decades. There have also been several dinosaurs found with soft tissue intact, something that would be impossible if dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. This is not some wild hoax created by creationists, you can find this information from major universities. Google "mummified dinosaur" to find many articles about these finds.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Thanks, Winman.

I have several videos on dinosaurs and the age of the earth. I highly recommend Dr Dino's videos. Very informative.