Can a Dead Body Sin?

[Brother Bob]

Brothers were taking brothers to court before unbelievers.


We have the saints suing other saints. We have saints who are doing the suing and saints that are doing the defrauding.

What am I missing here?


It's a real problem in a real church being rebuked by a real apostle. I don't see it as an example.

How did the one being defrauded, become the defrauder?? It it is a real situation?

Also, what did Paul say the wrong was? If they had of been settled in church, would the wrong have went away???

Paul did not say both were defrauders. He said the one was the defrauder and would of stayed that way, if the other one had not taken him to court. Being he took him to court, he became the defrauder.

How you do that in a real situation?

If my brother steals from me, then he is the theif, but if I take him to court, I become the theif. Explain that please.

BBob,

 

[steaver]

One small step for mankind, but one giant leap for Steaver. No where have I said that we do not sin. That is always your fall back, when you run out of scripture.

BBob,

Would you be so kind as to name one or two sins that Christians do commit?

I doubt very much you can offer even one..

:thumbs:

 

[Brother Bob]

Would you be so kind as to name one or two sins that Christians do commit?

I doubt very much you can offer even one..

:thumbs:

Run their mouth too much.

BBob,

 

[steaver]

Run their mouth too much.

BBob,

And what scripture command is being violated?

 

[Brother Bob]

And what scripture command is being violated?

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or [as] a thief, or [as] an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

Matt 25:
42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

BBob,

 

[Amy.G]

How did the one being defrauded, become the defrauder?? It it is a real situation?
BBob,

Bro. Bob, which verse is saying that? I can't find it.

 

[steaver]

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or [as] a thief, or [as] an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

Matt 25:
42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

BBob,

The Matthew verses are about the unsaved. They go away to eternal punishment....Mat 25:46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

So I don't no why you posted this as Christian sin.

What law is being transgressed by being a busybody in other men's matters?

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[steaver]

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or [as] a thief, or [as] an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

In following your teaching about verses speaking of such sins, why do you believe a Christain can commit the sin of busybody but not the one's spoken of in the same breath, murder, theif and evildoer.

What makes you pick out just one from the line up and say now here is one a Christian can commit?

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

1Co 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

HP: Now here is the same word ‘defraud.’ I await the litany of posters that attached sin to the word ‘defraud’ to be consistent in their view and tell us the same concerning this passage. Here we have a cheating, no good, thieving, sinning partener……….or do we? If not, why not? You know full well the strict definitions that have been attached to the word 'defraud' by some on this list. Stand tall and show us your consistency in your interpretation of this verse.

 

[steaver]

HP: Now here is the same word ‘defraud.’ I await the litany of posters that attached sin to the word ‘defraud’ to be consistent in their view and tell us the same concerning this passage. Here we have a cheating, no good, thieving, sinning partener……….or do we? If not, why not? You know full well the strict definitions that have been attached to the word 'defraud' by some on this list. Stand tall and show us your consistency in your interpretation of this verse.

I don't understand your concern. Defraud is sin. One is not to defraud their spouse of intamacy.

 

[Brother Bob]

I don't understand your concern. Defraud is sin. One is not to defraud their spouse of intamacy.

Why not give an answer, instead of the run around. God sure is not telling them to commit adultery as long as its with consent. Come on Steaver, give an answer that makes sense.

Want me to answer it for you. It means to "deprive".

Sin?

Jesus said there is a sin unto death and there is a sin not unto death. You want to argue with Him?

He also said, he that hath delivered me hath the greater sin. Still want to argue with him.

BBob,

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Brother Bob: It means to "deprive".

HP: Now there is a voice of reason.:thumbs:

 

[Brother Bob]

Bro. Bob, which verse is saying that? I can't find it.

Here it is Amy;

1 Corth 6:

7: Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? (that would be by the other person)

8: Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.( That is you becoming the defrauder, instead of the defrauded).

BBob,

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Brother Bob: (That is you becoming the defrauder, instead of the defrauded).

HP: A fine example of skillet pan reasoning. Gong! :laugh: :tonofbricks:

 

[steaver]

Why not give an answer, instead of the run around. God sure is not telling them to commit adultery as long as its with consent. Come on Steaver, give an answer that makes sense.

Want me to answer it for you. It means to "deprive".

Sin?

Jesus said there is a sin unto death and there is a sin not unto death. You want to argue with Him?

He also said, he that hath delivered me hath the greater sin. Still want to argue with him.

BBob,

Deprive.... 1.to remove or withhold something from the enjoyment or possession of (a person or persons):

Defraud....
1. to deprive of a right, money, or property by fraud:

Are you suggesting that the KJV is incorrect?

If I have the right to property and someone withholds that property from me FOR NO RIGHTEOUS REASON then they are deliberately defrauding me of what is mine. That is sin the bible says.

Paul does not give the green light for intamacy on demand. Paul does say do not "defraud" one another. This means one is withholding for some unrighteous reason. This is sin.

I don't know why these simplistic verses must be explained to mature Christians.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

HP: In light of the following verse, is it any wonder why I am a bit leery of being converted to Steaver’s brand of theology, which in essence is trying to make thieves, extortioners, or those that covet out of fellow believers?

1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[steaver]

Jesus said there is a sin unto death and there is a sin not unto death. You want to argue with Him?

Still waiting for you to give a sin not unto death. SO far you gave one verse...

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or [as] a thief, or [as] an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

Now you are telling us that Paul is commanding believers to not do these sins (which according to you) a believer cannot possibly do anyways. That makes good sense, Paul telling believers to not do that which they cannot do anyways!

But even further, you post this verse as support of a sin that believers can commit, yet only bolden out the busybodies for some unknown reason. And where does the verse say that busybodyness is a sin not unto death that a believer can commit?

It doesn't. So do you have a sin that a believer can commit that is not unto death?

Still waiting!

 

[Amy.G]

Here it is Amy;

1 Corth 6:

7: Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? (that would be by the other person)

8: Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.( That is you becoming the defrauder, instead of the defrauded).

BBob,

Thanks. You know that even though I disagree with you, that I still love you, right?

I think what Paul is saying is that by suing your brother for cheating you, you become like him and are a defrauder as well, because they should have kept it between themselves and not taken it to the unbelivers to settle. Both parties have sinned. The one who cheated and the one who took him to court.

 

[steaver]

HP: In light of the following verse, is it any wonder why I am a bit leery of being converted to Steaver’s brand of theology, which in essence is trying to make thieves, extortioners, or those that covet out of fellow believers?

1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Maybe you could help BBob out and list some sins a Christian can commit that are not unto death?

 

[steaver]

HP: In light of the following verse, is it any wonder why I am a bit leery of being converted to Steaver’s brand of theology, which in essence is trying to make thieves, extortioners, or those that covet out of fellow believers?

Didn't you testify that you have a fellow Chrsitain friend who committed adultery?

Maybe it is you who is making Christians into these lost ones?