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hello deacon

the eyes of the Lord are in every place beholding the good and the evil
God is the judge .
Scriptures teaches if someone habitually sins you know they are in
danger of the judgment of God.
The idea is not to figure out how close can we get to sin....and do as many sins as possible. They teaching of Romans 6:1-21.is that sins reigning power has been broken.We are to diligently pursue holiness mortifying all sin.

 

There is no tally of sins that God collects on the number of sins his children commit.

God's judgment never excludes his children from their home.

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of change. By his will he gave birth to us through the message of truth, so that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures. James 1:17-18

Those that walk according to his light will display his likeness and render fruit by to his grace... some more than others.

Rob

 

If someone continues to habitually sin...they might not be a Christian...they have no reason to believe all their sins are paid for.


6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
the answer is never...yes by all means God does not keep a tally.

For a real Christian their sins are not remembered;
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

The thing is.....if someone commits sin as a rule or continuing practice they most likely are not God's child.

:wavey:

 

In other words, you don't believe in "Sola Gratia" or else you believe the individual in question was ever saved in the 1st place.

 

There is some agreement.

But it's not my role to decide who might be a Christian or not... God is their judge.

I know that in myself I am still continually drawn to sin.
I know my works are as bloody contaminated rags.
I know that without Christ I am hopelessly lost.

I know that I've trusted in Jesus' work on the cross to cover my sins and to his resurection for the hope that lies before me.

It is not my works that condemn me anymore - I've been justified!

The Spirit himself confirms to our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16-17

I posted this on another thread a while back.

Some children of light have been decieved and walk in darkness for a time.
In this there is judgement... but God never lets go... even in the deepest darkness.

"The darkness is my closest friend." Psalm 88:18b NIV

Rob

 

YES.....they call that backsliding. And yes you pay a price for it as in all sin.....but we are not perfect, not yet that is.:thumbsup:

 

Seems we are discussing Lordship Salvation and Calvinism (again). Generally speaking Calvinists don't believe in the term "backsliding". To them, it is God's proof someone was never saved to begin with.

 

But yet it's impossible for one to look at salvation and say…."nahhhh, rather not".

 

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. Romans 8:19

Will we sin anymore after that takes place?

Is, For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God., relative to? > Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Luke 20:36 Thus. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Romans 8:23

Maybe it is the body that needs to be born again before we can be sin free.

O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Romans 7:24

 

Grace alone is good but if this grace is given to a person it results in delivering the person from their sins....mt1:21....they do not continue on as if the Spirit has not regenerated and converted them.There is a new master and it is n o longer sin....there cannot be a disconnect between grace for justification and for sanctification

 

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The beloved Apostle Paul explains it better than I can in the following scriptures.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

yea really? I got the term from a well noted Calvinist......George Whitefield. Im referencing his sermon, " The Method of Grace"

 

thanks.....you beat me to it:thumbsup:

 

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Did the above verses 7-24, apply to Adam at the moment of Genesis 2:7?

Was Adam at the moment of Gen. 2:7 a part of the following creation? For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; Rom 8:20 NKJV

Is not the hope spoken of in that verse not also spoken of in Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Was this hope not predetermined before Adam of Genesis 2:7 was created. See 1 Peter 18-20, because the creation would be subjected to futility at the moment of creation?

 

I couldn't find your 1 Peter chapter, however I believe the futility is all after the fall, not before.

 

Sorry about that Chapter 1.

Let's say Adam by his free will sinned, then he willingly subjected himself to futility, where as Romans 8:20 absolutely says he did not willingly subject himself to futility. That is assuming Adam was a part of the creation.

That is the way I understand that verse.

Would you say that to be carnal is to be subjected to futility? To our knowledge, Adam never ate of the tree of life and then was cut off from eating of that tree. From his creation was it necessary for him to have eaten of the tree of life for eternal life. That is life that comes to the soul from other than being in the blood. See Lev 17:11 For the life (soul) of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54