Can a Person who doesnt believe Jesus is God, still be saved?

[thegospelgeek]

The Gospel Geek...



But the issue, as I understand it from the 1st post, is not what someone will ultimetly believe, but rather what is the bare bones minimum requirement to be saved.

And that would be simply placing ones faith in Jesus Christ for their eternal security.

The rest..the diety of Christ, the triune nature of God, sound christian doctrine, etc...will fall into place in due time.

However, if someone appears to place their faith in Christ, but in short order becomes a Jehovahs Witness or some other group that denies foundational truths like the diety of Christ, then there is great concern as to the legitimacy of their regeneration.


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I think the debate has become "Is the OP referring to initial salvation or a long term belief". I took the OP to reference a long term denial of Christ Diety, such as JW or Mormon. You and Martin_Luther took it as initial salvation.

It is an interesting exercise to prove that a Christian must believe in the Diety of Christ to be saved via the scriptures. Can someone give me a good verse by verse example?

 

[webdog]

webdog...

Are you saying that a complete understanding of the trinity is a prereq for salvation? When I was saved I did not understand the trinity, nor had I ever heard of it. I never knew that Jesus was God. I heard the Gospel that Christ had died for my sins, the Holy Spirit convicted me of my sins, and I knew that thru repentance and faith in Christ i could receive salvation. I knew not 1 verse of scripture. No doctrines. No understanding of any of the basic beliefs. God saved me first and then taught me. If you had asked me if Jesus was God I would have said no, that he was Jesus and God was God. Are you telling me I didn't get saved? I don't think you are, and I know that you have no way opf knowing if I am or not except thru my testamony.

But you are right saying that one can not continue in darkness.

By the way, this topic is easy to answer yet somewhat difficult to prove thru scriptures.

I used 1 John 1 and John 1. Are there other verses to support all of the no answers?

I never said anything about the Trinity...that's not what the OP is about. If you do not believe Jesus is God, you are not saved. Period.

 

[webdog]

I think the debate has become "Is the OP referring to initial salvation or a long term belief". I took the OP to reference a long term denial of Christ Diety, such as JW or Mormon. You and Martin_Luther took it as initial salvation.

It is an interesting exercise to prove that a Christian must believe in the Diety of Christ to be saved via the scriptures. Can someone give me a good verse by verse example?

The book of John. It starts off telling the reader Jesus is God.

 

[thegospelgeek]

I never said anything about the Trinity...that's not what the OP is about. If you do not believe Jesus is God, you are not saved. Period.

Exactlly, everyone is getting different ideas about the OP. Hence the disagreements with people who believe the same thing.

 

[thegospelgeek]

The book of John. It starts off telling the reader Jesus is God.

That's half the argument, but what about the rest. What if someone says, "I believe in Jesus so the Bible says I'm saved." But yet they deny that Jesus is God.

 

[Don]

That's half the argument, but what about the rest. What if someone says, "I believe in Jesus so the Bible says I'm saved." But yet they deny that Jesus is God.

That's easy. If Jesus was only a man, then believing in him is no different than believing in me. Or Mohammed.

To deny Jesus, is to deny God.

 

[thegospelgeek]

That's easy. If Jesus was only a man, then believing in him is no different than believing in me. Or Mohammed.

To deny Jesus, is to deny God.

I totally agree with you, but can you give me scripture to back it up? For example if there was a verse that said, "Believe that Jesus Christ is God and you will be saved". Of course that is not a verse in the Bible, but can you put together a logical arrangement of verses that prove it to be true?

I'm just trying to sharpen my debating skills, so don't get upset with me or think I don't believe that Christ is God.

 

[Don]

John 3:16
John 3:36
Acts 16:31
Romans 10:9
as a start....

 

[billwald]

"God" is a general word for any old god. "Allah" is a more specific word in Arabic. Arab Christians pray to Allah.

The Jews lost track of the OT name for Allah. "YHWH" with arbitrary vowels plugged in is NOT a legit word.

 

[hawg_427]

Also another very simple answer.....NO. You must believe in the Trinity. That's the principl behind Paul's Gospel. That is why the Jews turned their hearts away from Jesus Christ, they rejected him as the Messiah, as God in the flesh.:jesus: