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How much Argon was was present at the creation of any sample over 6000 years old? You can choose any sample you like as long as you provide an absolutely concrete proof of the original composition.Originally posted by UTEOTW:
Can't..help...myself...
One more.
"Please cite the standard used to support the assertion that it is accurate on ages more than 2 million years. You have just made things much worse for yourself, not better. You have started on that circular path that will eventually show that all of the methods of dating by evolutionists are based on the assumption of great age and circular reasoning... not a single supporting observation or fact."
Because the half life of potassium-40 has been measured to 1.3 billion years. By knowing the minimum amount of argon your lab can reliably detect, you can know the minimum age that could be dated with that technique. Tests on rocks known to be young can cement what conditions are necessary to remove all of the argon from the sample. Which is what they were doing in Hawaii.
If evolution was proved to be true, I would consider the existence of God to be a great misfortune. I would not want to worship a God who created nature red in tooth and claw, with animals eating each other alive, and pre-Adamic humanoids annihilating each other in a process called "natural selection", eventually to produce an advanced race called humans who continue to annihilate each other in the most brutal manner in a process called "war".Originally posted by Mike Gascoigne:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by UTEOTW:
Mike,
Could you answer the question as phrased?
... if evolution were demonstrated to you to be true, whatever that would take, would you give up Christianity or would you find a way to accept both?
I have taken time to think about this.Originally posted by UTEOTW:
To get back a little closer to the topic, what do you think of the question posed. If evolution were demonstrated to you to be true, whatever that would take, would you give up Christianity or would you find a way to accept both?
God created everything perfect, and the reason we have all this mess is because of sin. If I thought that God created things this way, I might continue worshipping him on the odd occasion, but only for the purposes of appeasement. I would be no different from the pagans who worship an angry God, and we send out missionaries to get people out of this.Originally posted by Brett:
You're comfortable worshipping a God who drowns almost every living thing, advocates stoning as a just punishment for adulterers in the OT, etc.?
If you are going to get your science correct then correct your statement to: Because the half life of potassium-40 has been "calculated to be estimated at" 1.3 billion years.Originally posted by UTEOTW:
Can't..help...myself...
One more.
Because the half life of potassium-40 has been measured to 1.3 billion years.
Lady EagleOriginally posted by LadyEagle:
What I would like an evolutionist to explain is how spirituality as a natural feature of the human organism "evolved." Why don't other mammal species have a need to "worship" a higher being? Why is this unique to homo sapiens?![]()
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UT, you are obviously intelligent. Surely you cannot believe that a subjective statement like this is valid."Is evolution ultimately based on a scientific or philosophical premise?"
Scientific. The theory falls out of the data.
How old was the wine that Jesus made, that filled the six jars representing the six days of creation? And why should he do this as his first miracle?Originally posted by Phillip:
What was to stop God from forming a fully functioning universe with the appearance of age?
That's an observation Charles. But it is similar to what we have. We can see a working system before us. What we don't know is how it came to us. That car could have been designed and built by a car company or (similar to the example of the plane given above) it could be the result of billions of years of random processes.Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
" If someone showed up at my house, I could speculate on how they got there but without an actual observation I could never say "This is the way they got here."
True. But if that person was there at the door and a car was in the driveway still running with its left front door open you might be justified in saying it seems likely that he drove there.
How old was the wine that Jesus made, that filled the six jars representing the six days of creation? And why should he do this as his first miracle?Originally posted by Mike Gascoigne:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Phillip:
What was to stop God from forming a fully functioning universe with the appearance of age?
That's an observation Charles. But it is similar to what we have. We can see a working system before us. What we don't know is how it came to us. That car could have been designed and built by a car company or (similar to the example of the plane given above) it could be the result of billions of years of random processes.Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
" If someone showed up at my house, I could speculate on how they got there but without an actual observation I could never say "This is the way they got here."
True. But if that person was there at the door and a car was in the driveway still running with its left front door open you might be justified in saying it seems likely that he drove there.