Can an Evolutionist be Saved?

[Plain Old Bill]

Lady Eagle I went to the site and found some interesting information there. I was surprised though as I dug a little deeper into the site tofinde it is a 7th Day Adventist site. Did you know that?Of course that does'nt invalidate the information about creation.

 

[Phillip]

Oh, so since Genesis 1-11 is such a small part of the Bible, why don't we throw out Mathew, Mark, Luke and John since they only make up such a small part of the total. Who are you to decide which part is real? If God can come to earth as a man, die on the cross to save people, then why can he not do everything else that he says. What is so difficult about this?

Sure an "EVOLUTIONARY" biologist is going to believe in evolution, what do you think he studied for ten years? DUH!!!

 

[Brett]

Originally posted by Phillip:
Apparently, craig has not been listening to very much news lately. News that many, many evolutionary scientists are starting to back away from the theory in just the last few months.

Can you cite a source on this?

 

[Plain Old Bill]

Dear Craigbythesea,
What materials have you read or researched on creation science? I am curious.
My own personal thoughts on can an evolutionist be saved:I don't think the thief on the cross knew anything about creation or evolution and Jesus said he was saved.

 

[Bro Tony]

Craig,

What other parts, however small, of the Bible do you chose to ignore? By what authority have you decided what to and what not to take literally? It is a scary thought that you might be teaching in a church. Not because of you obvious intelligence, but because of you lack of faith in the Word of God. Your evolutionary view deny's the biblical account of God's creation, and because your feeble mind cannot comprehend the account of Noah's Ark you reject it. You were not there, I will trust the inspiration of the One who made all and inspired men to write His infalliable Word. I may not be the most intelligent person in the world, but I would not trade biblical faith for all the degrees in the world.

Bro Tony

 

[Mike Gascoigne]

Originally posted by Plain Old Bill:
I don't think the thief on the cross knew anything about creation or evolution and Jesus said he was saved.

Most importantly, he knew what he was saved from.

Mike

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Mike Gascoigne:
There are lots of issues that Christians can disagree about, but the issue of sin and death is something that directly affects our salvation.

I don't think that anyone here disagrees with the fact that we're all born with original sin and without the ability to pay the death penalty that result from our sins and sinful nature.

 

[Plain Old Bill]

Not only that but some issues while being intersting for discussion sake are peripheal.

 

[dean198]

Mike - I read one of your books which I have here at home - excellent.

As long as people believe the gospel they can be saved....but i would hope that as they grow they would abandon evolution.

 

[Jim1999]

Why should they abandon Theistic evolution? A.H. Strong, the great Baptist theolgion, never did, and it was one of the most popular texts on systematic theology.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Mike Gascoigne]

Originally posted by dean198:
Mike - I read one of your books which I have here at home - excellent.

As long as people believe the gospel they can be saved....but i would hope that as they grow they would abandon evolution.

Dean,

Good to hear you read my book. Which one was it?

People can be saved on the basis of only a small amount of knowledge, and as they grow, they have to re-think their views about all sorts of issues. In particular, they have to abandon evolution otherwise they will eventually stumble over the question of death before sin.

Mike

 

[Jim1999]

So, salvation is contingent upon knowledge and the gift of salvation is in essence a work on our part rather than the free gift of God.

To some, Theistic evolution does not preclude the work of God, and certainly not the imputation of original sin from Adam, the first human creation.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Mike Gascoigne]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
So, salvation is contingent upon knowledge...

No, I said it doesn't take much knowledge.

Mike

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by Plain Old Bill:
Lady Eagle I went to the site and found some interesting information there. I was surprised though as I dug a little deeper into the site tofinde it is a 7th Day Adventist site. Did you know that?Of course that does'nt invalidate the information about creation.

Hi, Bill. Dr. Martin, the author of the book, is a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary. His two daughters are graduates of Pensacola Christian College.

 

[LadyEagle]

Here's what cracks me up. For thousands of years, those of the Judeo-Christian faith actually believed God created everything. Then along comes some pipsqueak named Darwin, and suddenly God is some mythical being and all the various DNA in this wonderful world just happened out of some big bang.

Only God can make a Tree.

Hey, evolution fans - which came first, the chicken or the mutant egg?

And here's one - how did Jesus "evolve?"

 

[Johnv]

LE, your post presumes that, if someone here on the BB believes in evolution, then they are denying that God created everything. That's not only an incorrect assessment of those folks on this board, but it starts the slope of questioning a person's faith/salvation. We shouldn't do that to our fellow brethren on the board.

Indeed, there are atheists who believe in evolution that deny that God is creator, but, to the best of my knowlege, that voice is not present here.

PoB, I don't think that the source of the info (SDA) necessarily negates the info itself. Just my opinion.

 

[Plain Old Bill]

Dear Lady Eagle,
I am with you on YEC. I also know Dr. Walter Martin is a Baptist.I was just pointing out the rest of the site to you.By the way I really enjoy your entries.

 

[Charles Meadows]

We should not be questioning anyone's salvation here. Last time I checked faith was all that was required. If you're going to add belief in a literal Genesis as a qualification (in addition to faith) then you're right up there with the papists in adding to scripture.

And who says one has to have correct theology to be saved? All one needs is faith in Christ to forgive him/her. If we had to have it all right then we'd lose most Christians, and alot of people on this board too.

 

[Plain Old Bill]

Right on Charles! JohnV you are correct. The point being some say that the YEC movement was started by Ellen G. White through special revelation. Things still need to be looked at very closely becuase she still has some influence on some of thier teachings.

 

[Mike Gascoigne]

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
We should not be questioning anyone's salvation here.

Yes we should. If someone doesn't believe that death came as a consequence of sin, what do they think they are saved from?

Mike