CAN DEMONS BE DETECTED TODAY??

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by gb93433:
Satan and demons are very real. I believe they are much more real than we give them credit for.

Yes. But there is no reason to be afraid of them. In Christ, we have overcome the world and all the principalities and powers.

If you are a faithful believer and you encounter a demonic force, you have power over it according to the leading of the Spirit.

 

[tamborine lady]

Amen Ray!! And also Baptist Believer,

You're right about not being afraid of them.. If they are encountered, Jesus has given us power over them.
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Jesus said we would do the things that He did, and greater things would we do because He went to the Father!!!
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Praise His mighty name forever!! Glory, Glory, Glory!!!

Working for Jesus,

Tam,

 

[tamborine lady]

Then the next logical conclusion is that if the gift of discernment is still in effect today, then ALL the gifts are still in operation in this the 21st century, including tongues, healing, interpretation and all the rest!!!

Thank you Jesus, you did not give gifts to just a few and then snatch them away from the rest of us!!

Praise His Holy name!!

Working for Jesus,

Tam,

 

[AprilDawn]

I guess a more acurate statment would be I don't believe in spending my time messing around with the "spirit world". I don't see "ghosts" anymore mainly because I deliberately don't make them part of my life.

Do bad things still happen that the devil can take credit for? Sure, why haven't you ever noticed how much harder it is to get your family up and ready for church on Sunday morning? He don't like to see a good thing happening.

But that is not the same thing as seeing demons and having them talking to you and threatening your family's lives. I was trying to stress that it is not like a physical body that can really reach out and slap you. It is an emotional, spiritual thing that makes you 100% believe it can and did just reach out and slap you. And you somehow you were opened up to it, close yourself off from it. So, I don't believe in messing around with "ghosts, spirits, demons, ouiji boards, palm readers, etc." for that reason.

I think if you spend your time messing with that stuff your are asking for it!

 

[tamborine lady]

Isn't it funny that on this thread I can say that all the gifts are in effect and get no rebuttel, and yet if it said on a tongues or healing thread someone would be all over it like flies on honey!!

Just goes to show you that truth will get thru no matter how many times people try to stop it!!

Glory to God in the highest!! Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost!!

Working for Jesud,

Tam,

 

[tamborine lady]

B U M P

Working for Jesus!!

Tam

 

[tamborine lady]

I just praise you LORD for the full gospel that is the same today as it was in the new testament days, and still works for us in these last days, which are NOW, and you'll be with us and working in us till the end, no matter how long that takes.

Working for Jesus,

Tam,

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Baptist Believer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gb93433:
Satan and demons are very real. I believe they are much more real than we give them credit for.

Yes. But there is no reason to be afraid of them. In Christ, we have overcome the world and all the principalities and powers.

If you are a faithful believer and you encounter a demonic force, you have power over it according to the leading of the Spirit. </font>[/QUOTE]I agree

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:

Then the next logical conclusion is that if the gift of discernment is still in effect today, then ALL the gifts are still in operation in this the 21st century, including tongues, healing, interpretation and all the rest!!!

Thank you Jesus, you did not give gifts to just a few and then snatch them away from the rest of us!!

Praise His Holy name!!
Working for Jesus,
Tam,

You've certainly been looking for someone to "fight" lately Tam. Sounds like you want a boxing ring. Did you read this quote:

Yes. But there is no reason to be afraid of them. In Christ, we have overcome the world and all the principalities and powers.

If you are a faithful believer and you encounter a demonic force, you have power over it according to the leading of the Spirit.

We are simply speaking of spiritual warfare here. It goes on all the time. Sometimes it gets more intense than at others. As Jim pointed out sometimes the presence of an actual demon may be encountered. What does the Scripture say:

Ephesians 6:10-18 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

We stand against the wiles of the devil. We wrestle against principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness in high places. It is a battle. It is a battle against Satan and his forces, and sometimes that battle can seem very real.
This has no bearing on the spiritual gifts which have passed. Tongues, prophecy, healing, etc. have passed. The devil still works today. He promotes your brand of tongues. He also promotes the influence that he has over others.
DHK

 

[MEE]

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This has no bearing on the spiritual gifts which have passed. Tongues, prophecy, healing, etc. have passed. The devil still works today. He promotes your brand of tongues. He also promotes the influence that he has over others.
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Folks, keep in mind that this is &lt;snip&gt; interpretation. &lt;snip&gt;

MEE

[ May 13, 2004, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: Dan Todd ]

 

[DHK]

MEE, I will request another moderator to remove personal attacks. Address the issue, not the person.
DHK

 

[tamborine lady]

I agree with Baptist Believer, we do not need to be afraid of satan and his cohorts. Jesus gave us authority over them!!

DHK: you said----Tongues, prophecy, healing, etc. have passed. The devil still works today. He promotes your brand of tongues. He also promotes the influence that he has over others.
DHK

I think you should apoligize for saying that satan promotes my brand of tongues.

This is the debate board and I am debating.

MEE is right, that is merely your opinion, not the ultimate answer.

You have no idea what kind of tongues I am talking about!! You don't know what my brand is; therefore you cannot put a label on them.

For all you know I could speak a lot of real languages.

And I will say it again, just because you say all the gifts are gone does not make it so!!!

Praise His holy name. Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever!!!

Working for Jesus,

Tam,

 

[DHK]

The only brand of tongues that we can verify that is spoken today is called gibberish.
I, myself, am a missionary. I, like every other missionary I know, went to the field and learned the language. Missionaries are not given the gift of tongues today, they learn by hard work the language, that they may communicate the gospel in the language of the country to which they were sent.

What languages do you speak in Tam. How many? Who interprets for you? Do you speak in just a church? The fact that you speak at all is unscriptural, for you are a woman, and women are forbidden to speak in tongues in the church. Therefore, I can say with Scriptural authority, that your "brand" of tongues is not Biblical.

How many unbelieving Jews were present? Tongues were a sign for the unbelieving Jews. Againg your gift is not Scriptural; it is not even a gift.

If Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever--then why doesn't He speak to you through a burning bush like He did to Moses??
DHK

 

[tamborine lady]

Gibberish is another word that is getting on my last nerve.

How do you KNOW that it is gibberish?? Do you speak all the languages in the world? If not, then you have no way of knowing whether someone is speaking gibberish. What sounds like gibberish to you might be a real language to someone else!

If Jesus DID speak to me thru a burning bush, I certainly would not tell you so you could rip it up.

Just because you do not "rightly divide" the word, doesn't mean I need to change ANY of my beliefs!!

Working for Jesus,

Tam

 

[DHK]

Languages are spoken for a reason--that people can understand them. That was the whole purpose why Paul wrote 1Cor.14. it was a rebuke to the Corinthians, for they spoke without meaning, without understanding, in mysteries--the people would think that they were mad; it caused a state of confusion and chaos. God was a God of order. Paul would rather speak five words with understanding then 10,000 words in tongues.

Biblical tongues was always, always a known, real, genuine, language that served the purpose of communication. If you don't know the language that is being spoken, and no one else does--rest assured it is no doubt of the devil and not of God.
DHK

 

[Hamtramck_Mike]

I must agree with DHK here. 1Corinthians 14 is crystal clear on this.

 

[Hamtramck_Mike]

I must also add, if healings are valid today then so is raising the dead, and I know none of us are going down to our local morgues to help with inventory!

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by Hamtramck_Mike:
I must also add, if healings are valid today then so is raising the dead, and I know none of us are going down to our local morgues to help with inventory!

Your argument fails completely because you have to assume that the individual believer operates the gifts according to their own inspiration and will. The gifts of the Spirit are empowered by God and are only performed with the guidance and empowerment of the Spirit.

If God tells someone to go raise the dead, He will give them the power to do it. Period.

 

[LadyEagle]

My Bible says whatsoever I bind on earth will be bound in heaven.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Baptist Believer:
Your argument fails completely because you have to assume that the individual believer operates the gifts according to their own inspiration and will. The gifts of the Spirit are empowered by God and are only performed with the guidance and empowerment of the Spirit.

If God tells someone to go raise the dead, He will give them the power to do it. Period.

The argument is a fairly good one, as it pertains to spiritual gifts. The gifts have ceased. The gift of healing has ceased. No person alive can heal "all that come to him," as the Apostles could do at certain times in their ministry. No person today has the gift to raise the dead, as Baptist Believer pointed out. This is in accordance with 1Cor.13:8 which teaches the cessation of tongues, prophecy, and revelatory knowledge. The spiritual gifts were for the benefit of the first century Christians, and were used primarily to authenticate the message of the Apostles, that it was a message from God. The sign of an Apostle was that he was enabled by God to preach, accompanied with signs and wonders.
DHK