Can Jesus Cast Out Saved Believers?

They do for why they are grieving the Holy Spirit in them.

When they believe the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation by that sign of tongues for private use; hence the voice of strangers, and thus they are suffering a thief to break through, God will permit that strong delusion to occur. They are defiling the temple of God which is their bodies for believing that lie, and being left behind to be chastened by the Father Hebrews 12:4-14 & the Son 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 in removing the works that deny Him off of that foundation, so they can be received by Him after the great tribulation BUT their spirits are still saved per 1 Corinthians 3:15 in that day

We are not to condemn anyone as not saved for that would be dangerously close to denying the Lord that bought them

Paul addressed the falling away from the faith in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-15

Paul is still addressing those who have gone astray & not follow after the tradition taught of us but are disorderly like they are in those movements of the spirit with confusion, madness & falling down per lack of self control, for why we are to obey the commandment with His help to withdraw from them...2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 BUT Paul did not judge them as never saved or even as the enemy, but to admonish them as brothers still. 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

See that in the scripture or not? It is plainly written meaning that truth.

 

The "must" in according to John 10:16 is on Jesus, not man for why He must bring those not of the fold that follow His voice.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. KJV

As for any teaching where man must before God can.... being the voice of Satan, there is a "man should trust the Lord for all things to avoid looking to trusting in themselves to do His work in them and thru them" and sometimes I find I need His help to do even that.

Explain how there can be empty seats at the King's Supper table? That means they were saved but made excuses for the cares of this life not to come when the Bridegroom comes calling. See Luke 14:15-24

That is what the cost of discipleship is really about when Jesus expounded on that to the multitude in Luke 14:25-35 It was not about leaving their lives and loved ones in serving Him on earth, but being ready to leave their lives & lived ones on earth.

 

We are to prove everything by Him by the scripture in the KJV, even Christian literary works and even Christian hymnals and songs.

What you share from that literary does not reprove nor align with John 10:16, but John 10:16 does the other way.

 

Well, the 2 side points are in response to 2 of your respective side points as quoted in my post in response to that one post which was broken up in replies with 3 posts from me..

However, post # 53 & post # 54 does include scripture in response to your quote. You can click on "Click to expand" on your quote in my posts of #53 & #54 to read how I am responding to what you had posted, if you still wish to continue in following the discussion between you & me as it does relate to the topic of those who are cast out but still saved as I see His words says..

It is important because how believers judge those left behind may very well be how they judge those alive today as not saved or not a true believer when I say His words says they still are but have gone astray as He will not lose anyone given to Him but some will be left behind to be received later on after the great tribulation.. unless they repent with His help & by His grace..

 

I agree even though scripture has Jesus casting behind saved believers for not abiding in Him as His disciples ( John 15:1-8 ) & thus not being ready ( Luke 12:40-49 ) to face the fire coming on the earth and why in that day of verse 13 in 1 Corinthians 3:10-17, their spirits will be saved per verse 15 when they die in verses 16-17.

All believer are saved.. and in that respect of that fold, but that fold is divided up by those who follow His voice and those that went astray building on that foundation works that deny Him for why they are being denied & disqualified to dine with Him. Nevertheless that foundation remains as that seal of adoption does too for why no one will lose their salvation, but are at risk of losing the rewards of their crowns as well as at risk of being a castaway as Paul stated that could happen to himself too.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

If you consider how some of those that disagree as saying those left behind were never saved by being false prophets or living in unrepentant sin, as if they never sinned in their lives, I should wonder how they judge the believers in the land of the living?

Indeed, by their words, they must wonder if they are saved too and whether or not those who struggle in the flesh with temptations, if they should give up & just say it is hopeless when I would say to them that is why we are to run that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the father & the Son..

 

Only referring to how you are applying his writings to mean as the same thing in regards to the topic at hand for those climbing up another way in John 10:1-16. It is not.

 

Granted, that would apply to commitment to follow Christ and the Promise Keepers' program and such where the Christian in their zeal are led into bondage in doing His work in us by the deeds of the law rather than living by faith in Jesus Christ to do it in being their Good shepherd to help them to follow Him. They need Him to forgive them for taking on those yokes of bondages and to set them free to rest in the New Covenant to them to do all His works so they can rest in Him for all things.

This link addresses such bondages.

Discerning Matthew 5:33-37

But in all respect, it cannot be applied to John 10:1-16 for how those saints are going astray.

Incidentally, if neither believer repent of those iniquities, they are still saved but excommunicated from attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven, but still saved to be resurrected later on after the great tribulation for I agree He cannot lose anyone..

 

There is no barely saved or super saved. There is only saved believers and then His disciples that followed Him. That is what separates the vessels unto dishonor from the vessels unto honor to be received first at the marriage Supper of the Lamb while what makes saved believers the vessels unto dishonor as left behind to be resurrected later on to serve the King of kings.

There is the least in the kingdom of heaven that break even the least of His commandments and teach others so that are separated from the great that keeps His commandments and teaches others so. This is how they are both saved for why they are in His kingdom and yet what separates them in His kingdom.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Hebrews 10:1-32 warns believers about one way to take communion in an unworthy manner for why God will judge His people for doing that but yet as they are still His people. Hebrews 10:26-31 for shorter reading.

Why are there empty seats at the table then in Luke 14:15-24 ? See the why Jesus is warning believers to not be ensnared by the cares of this life in Luke 21:33-36? Then see saved believers being warned & cut off for not being ready in Luke 12:40-49. Until you address those references for why Jesus is saying that, you are ignoring why Jesus does cast out saved believers for not being ready.

You may not have discerned that with Him yet, but He may reveal that to you yet, regarding tongues. Also how do you apply this call to former believers & carnal believers to repent for how they can become vessels unto honor? Note where that leaves the vessels unto dishonor for not repenting.. as still in His House.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Brother, I love you in Christ and I am sharing scripture that believers are overlooking and cannot rightly divide it only because of their errant belief that those left behind were never saved, but they were and are but just disqualified as reprobates to be received as vessels unto honor to sit at the Marriage Supper table.in Heaven but they will be resurrected after the great tribulation in serving the King of kings when He reigns on earth; hence in that part of the kingdom of heaven.