Can Someone PLEASE Define Cussing/Profanity?

[Amy.G]

Thats not what the Pharisees claimed. Quite the reverse. Anyway, Im not Jesus. Not even trying to be.

The Pharisees were lying hypocrites. Of course you're not Jesus. Neither am I. But He is our example and we are to follow Him. And when we fail, He forgives us. But we are to do our best to be what He has created us to be.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Pharisees were lying hypocrites. Of course you're not Jesus. Neither am I. But He is our example and we are to follow Him. And when we fail, He forgives us. But we are to do our best to be what He has created us to be.

Ah yes, the worst crime of humanity is hypocrisy. It is the mother of all sins.There is not a man or woman alive, I am certain, who does not wallow in it, knowingly or unknowingly. We must accept ourselves for who we are. That is the secret of a healthy mind & body.

Now hypocrisy should not be wholly detested. Without it we should have no civilization, nor could humans live together for a single hour without killing each other. Other words for it are gentility and tolerance and regard for neighbor, and self-restraint and self-discipline. I might even go so far as to say that without it we would have no churches and no religions. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Amy.G]

Now hypocrisy should not be wholly detested.

Yes it should.

 

[Zaac]

Hey....do you know what a schmuck is? How bout schmekel ?

Yes and yes.

I'm sure you're about to make a point, right? :laugh:

 

[Zaac]

As usual, you judge the entire world of fundamentalism (13,000 churches in the US alone) from your limited and narrow experience with us.

The truth is, since fundamentalists generally believe strongly in evangelism, we have a lot of contact with the lost. I am currently going once a week to the home of Mr. Ushiro to teach him the Bible. He is an ex-gangster, has some kind of "personality disorder," and so forth. I spent an hour there yesterday.

When was the last time you spent any time with a mentally ill ex-gangster? When was the last time you witnessed to or even talked to a prostitute, drunk or criminal? During the good weather, my co-worker across town and I go out on Friday or Saturday night to the busiest part of town, and I've had contact with the lowest of the low in our city. This is a very common experience with many fundamentalists. We go to the poorest parts of town for our bus ministries, we have jail ministries, we have city missions to minister to the homeless, and many churches nowadays have ministries to addicts.

How about you? Do you have any contact with criminals, the homeless, addicts and the like? If you don't, maybe you are the one living in a bubble.

Praise God for your obedience John. The ones to whom you are reaching out and whom society often shuns are the very same ones who played such a major part in the ministry of Jesus.:applause::applause:

 

[Zaac]

Well put. Paul said, "I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some" (1 Cor. 9:22). But that doesn't mean we have to adopt the poor habits and sins of the lost. We can reach the lost for Christ without using their taboo words. They listen to our compassion and deeds more than our words.

YES!!!:applause:

Yesterday I asked Mr. Ushiro, our ex-gangster who just started coming, what made him want to become a Christian. He said, "It was when you visited me that first time and I said I was broke and hungry, and you gave me that 1000 yen bill. I knew then that your God is the One who helps people."

I didn't have to use his bad language, I didn't have to imitate his worldly ways, I just had to show him the love of God.

I think this is one of the key things that we miss in America. We have the many issues that we are against and that's what the world sees because we make such a big deal about it.

Perhaps if we would make as big a deal out of loving folks in spite of their issues and pointing them to Christ in spite of their issues instead of always making noise because of the issue, perhaps we would be more effective.

I think you perfectly demonstrate this John. You could have started a big anti-gang campaign and all you would have been known to the gangsters as would be some Christian man who is against them.

But when you say to a man who has lived that life "Hey, I know what you've done and the life you've lived, but I still love you because God loves you" and you proceed to treat him like a fellow human being instead of someone whose sin is worse than your own...WATCH OUT.

The walls come down and the hardest exterior softens to the sweetness that is the love of Christ being demonstrated.

Bless you John!!!

 

[Zaac]

Sorry, I should have added pompous, braggard, arrogant & out of touch to my list of Fundamentalist characteristics. Who do you THINK you are, Gods gift to the world. Please reg-ail us with another story how your helping a thug find Christ ....then the fundis will all sit at your feet and claim you king of the missionaries. Let them weep tears at your ability to spend other peoples money so you can be a missionary in Japan when your own country needs help. Forget you, Im not impressed.

Alright EWF, what's going on?

I am not a preacher....Im a regular guy. Both my Grandfathers worked in the mines, 12-14 hrs a day till they were broken & died. My father worked in a factory & died when I was 12 YO leaving my mother with 2 young boys & a daughter with Cerebral Palsy. I worked all my life & put my kid brother through school (so he in turn could be an IFB Pastor)....and after the IFB starved him & his family nearly to death & allowed a stinking pedophile to abuse boys in that church, I yanked him out....gave him a home to live in and helped him get a real job so he could finally feed his family. There is much more to that story but Im not going there...but it happened in an IFB church.

Ahhh. Forget the first question. This clarified.

As to ministries, well I don't have to move halfway around the world to find crime, drugs, prostitution & depravity.....there in my community. I have a 30 yo man buying prescriptions from MD's & reselling to school kids. I have a woman who could not use a car because she is illegal, so to get to a food Supermarket she took an illegal taxi (without a license or a baby seat) consequently when they got into an accident, the child was ejected from the vehicle. I have homeless people living down in my basement, I have a ministry to help the unemployed find jobs & cope with the economic downturn. We have established places where the downtrodden (without medical insurance) to get help. I and my wife are active in rehabilitating alcoholics & drug addicts. My wife has a heart for helping discarded animals find homes (dogs, cats, horses, pony's, donkeys etc) so I have 3 discarded dogs two that are blind & we the care givers.She is also big into finding & prosecuting animal abusers. Also active in the town & state government to try make soo many things right (frankly the corruption is overwhelming). Lastly, I have become convinced that a church needs to be planted in this community so Im making an effort (w/o much success) to get that done as well.

Praise God for you and your wife. Keep up the good fight because there is indeed a need for good Soldiers right here.

 

[Zaac]

Should we drive cars...they are of the world. Should we operate computers....thats of the world too. Should we have secular jobs....the world does that, or go shopping for clothing when we could make our own.

Should we be interacting with others who we dont consider Christians & should we be doing business with Jews, Muslims (we buy some of their petroleum products you know) & Catholics (who inhabit the majority church in my neck of the woods). Should we participate in politics that is quite base & secular? The world does that quite well.

Now I guess I can go to Lancaster Pennsylvania & learn High German & become Amish & live as they do since there premise is complete separation from the world but I am not going to do that. I'm going to interact, I'm going to touch the wounds of Jesus & know he lives & I am going to meet with the mess of what we call lost humanity & try real hard to see Christ in their faces & when they tell me to get the F out of here you Mother F'er, I'm NOT going to get insulted because as filthy as they are, as filthy as their demeanors are, their language is.....I'm going to love & try to help them. Sorry that you are all insulted....but I will live in the REAL world in order to bring some of these people to the kingdom.

It's trite, but the lost act lost. And we who have been saved and are being saved should recognize this better than any other as He brought us out of the same things.

Ya got to get down in the trenches and get a little dirty. It may not always be Sunday morning padded pew and shoe polished clean. Lost people cuss, drink etc. And when you're attempting to minister to folks in order to share the GOOD NEWS with them, we have to recognize again that these things are just sinful people attempting to cope with their brokenness.

But instead of going off on what they are doing wrong, perhaps we can invite them to a homemade dinner and show them something different. Perhaps we can take them in off the street and give them some place warm and safe to lay their heads at night.

We have to participate in the world in order to positively affect for Christ those who are of the world. When I'm ministering to folks who are struggling with drug abuse, I expect to hear some stuff. :laugh: But the cussing becomes very secondary to getting them to a point of recognizing why they are on the verge of killing themselves with drugs, and why they don't have to.

All of it is a coping mechanism and we have to point them to Christ, cuss words and all.

 

[Zaac]

Ah yes, the worst crime of humanity is hypocrisy. It is the mother of all sins.There is not a man or woman alive, I am certain, who does not wallow in it, knowingly or unknowingly. We must accept ourselves for who we are. That is the secret of a healthy mind & body.

And if who we are is in opposition to Christ? I'm kinda following what you'er trying to say but can you clarify that bolded part? Thanks.

 

[Oldtimer]

Rev, it must be tough for you going through life with your holier than thou persona, knowing full well that your human like the rest of us. Of course, you've shown by example what a jerk you really are. Still lets mask it by passive/ aggressive actions with the caveat of being a "REVEREND". Ohhhhhh, thats the ticket. A jerk with a title. :thumbs:

Sad when some brothers in Christ don't realize the witness they are demonstrating to others is the very same thing as what they are mocking. Do you not realize, Brother, that your words paint a picture that you are, indeed, taking a "holier than thou persona" upon yourself, as well?

Thats not what the Pharisees claimed. Quite the reverse. Anyway, Im not Jesus. Not even trying to be.

As brothers in Christ, shouldn't we all be constantly striving to be more and more like our Saviour? No, not one, can be Him. To say that we are not Him, is, IMO, an excuse when we don't want to admit that we can be more like Him. But, choose not to do so. When you choose to use a thinly veiled version of one of the most vulgar words in the English language, before brothers and sisters in Christ that said a lot about you. You felt, apprarently, that it was necessary to reach deep into the gutter for the shock value you could retrieve in order to express your opinion. If you'll do that here, in an assembly of believers, what extent will you go to with those who can't communicate without gutter language? That, my Brother, is the impression that you, Sir, are leaving here.

Ah yes, the worst crime of humanity is hypocrisy. It is the mother of all sins.There is not a man or woman alive, I am certain, who does not wallow in it, knowingly or unknowingly. We must accept ourselves for who we are. That is the secret of a healthy mind & body.

Now hypocrisy should not be wholly detested. Without it we should have no civilization, nor could humans live together for a single hour without killing each other. Other words for it are gentility and tolerance and regard for neighbor, and self-restraint and self-discipline. I might even go so far as to say that without it we would have no churches and no religions. :smilewinkgrin:

Jesus accepts us as who we are! Every believer in Christ should already know who he was and who he should strive to be regardless of the limitations imposed by this fleshly body. Yes, I fall down. Yes, I make mistakes. Yes, I sometimes have to hang my head in shame. When I get up off my knees, these words come to mind... Go an sin no more...

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

I can't change out of this fleshly body until He calls me home. There is one thing I can try continually to change.

Matthew 15: KJB
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Go and sin no more.

Just maybe, with His help, I can be one small step closer to that tomorrow than I am today.




BTW, I suspect that your definition of hyprocisy may be a little different from mine.


hy·poc·ri·sy [hi-pok-ruh-see] Show IPA
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrisy
noun, plural hy·poc·ri·sies.
1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3. an act or instance of hypocrisy.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy
1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially: the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

Related words:
deceit, deceitfulness, deception, deceptiveness, dishonesty, double-dealing, falsity, perfidy, two-facedness; affectation, affectedness, pretense (or pretence), pretension, pretentiousness, sanctimoniousness, self-righteousness, self-satisfaction; duplicity, fakery, falseness, fraudulentness, shamming; artificia

 

[Zaac]

As brothers in Christ, shouldn't we all be constantly striving to be more and more like our Saviour? No, not one, can be Him. To say that we are not Him, is, IMO, an excuse when we don't want to admit that we can be more like Him. But, choose not to do so.

That's my thinking also. We know that we are not perfect. But we should commit ourselves to those things and the mindset that drives us towards being more like Christ.

When you choose to use a thinly veiled version of one of the most vulgar words in the English language, before brothers and sisters in Christ that said a lot about you. You felt, apprarently, that it was necessary to reach deep into the gutter for the shock value you could retrieve in order to express your opinion. If you'll do that here, in an assembly of believers, what extent will you go to with those who can't communicate without gutter language? That, my Brother, is the impression that you, Sir, are leaving here.

I also think the response to what EWF said is the perfect demonstration perhaps of why he said what he said because I think a lot of time when those in the world say such things, we respond in much the same way, as though they are striving toward the standard that is Christ when they couldn't be.

Our words are to glorify God and exhort and build up.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Sad when some brothers in Christ don't realize the witness they are demonstrating to others is the very same thing as what they are mocking. Do you not realize, Brother, that your words paint a picture that you are, indeed, taking a "holier than thou persona" upon yourself, as well?



As brothers in Christ, shouldn't we all be constantly striving to be more and more like our Saviour? No, not one, can be Him. To say that we are not Him, is, IMO, an excuse when we don't want to admit that we can be more like Him. But, choose not to do so. When you choose to use a thinly veiled version of one of the most vulgar words in the English language, before brothers and sisters in Christ that said a lot about you. You felt, apprarently, that it was necessary to reach deep into the gutter for the shock value you could retrieve in order to express your opinion. If you'll do that here, in an assembly of believers, what extent will you go to with those who can't communicate without gutter language? That, my Brother, is the impression that you, Sir, are leaving here.



Jesus accepts us as who we are! Every believer in Christ should already know who he was and who he should strive to be regardless of the limitations imposed by this fleshly body. Yes, I fall down. Yes, I make mistakes. Yes, I sometimes have to hang my head in shame. When I get up off my knees, these words come to mind... Go an sin no more...

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

I can't change out of this fleshly body until He calls me home. There is one thing I can try continually to change.

Matthew 15: KJB
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Go and sin no more.

Just maybe, with His help, I can be one small step closer to that tomorrow than I am today.




BTW, I suspect that your definition of hyprocisy may be a little different from mine.


hy·poc·ri·sy [hi-pok-ruh-see] Show IPA
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrisy
noun, plural hy·poc·ri·sies.
1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3. an act or instance of hypocrisy.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy
1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially: the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

Related words:
deceit, deceitfulness, deception, deceptiveness, dishonesty, double-dealing, falsity, perfidy, two-facedness; affectation, affectedness, pretense (or pretence), pretension, pretentiousness, sanctimoniousness, self-righteousness, self-satisfaction; duplicity, fakery, falseness, fraudulentness, shamming; artificia

Listen Oldtimer.....I choose to show deference to you because I respect my elders. But note that I will continue to show indifference to what I consider a absurd frenzy....IE Language usage.

This is my own personal opinion & if you choose to despise my actions or me, that is your affair, it doesn't concern me in the least. However I will stand by my opinion & respect it. Thank you very much.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And if who we are is in opposition to Christ? I'm kinda following what you'er trying to say but can you clarify that bolded part? Thanks.

No I will not. Im done with this forum. You asked for honesty & Ive given it to you....and for that I get blasted. Next time I will avoid this monumental wasting of my time.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes it should.

Oh really & truly. LOL.

So Amy, you've never been one, never indulged? Really.....I will have to alert the Catholics to a Tennessee Canonization & from now on I shall refer to you as Saint Amy..... St. Amy.G of Tennessee :laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

Oh really & truly. LOL.

So Amy, you've never been one, never indulged? Really.....I will have to alert the Catholics to a Tennessee Canonization & from now on I shall refer to you as Saint Amy..... St. Amy.G of Tennessee :laugh:

I never said anything like what you've posted here. I am a sinner. I never said otherwise.

What I did say is that hypocrisy should be detested. I detest sin, don't you?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I never said anything like what you've posted here. I am a sinner. I never said otherwise.

What I did say is that hypocrisy should be detested. I detest sin, don't you?

No I do not...it is reality and its deeply ingrained in this world in every human being. Just ask any politician and pastor

 

[Amy.G]

No I do not...it is reality and its deeply ingrained in this world in every human being. Just ask any politician and pastor

You don't feel bad when you sin against God? You don't hate the sin that nailed Jesus to the cross?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You don't feel bad when you sin against God? You don't hate the sin that nailed Jesus to the cross?

Oh come on.... now your being obtuse & I will give you a perfect example.

I have been married to my wife for 25 Years & knew her for 3 yrs prior to our marriage. An hour ago I put in 3 CD's .....1 is a Bach CD, 2nd is John Coltrane (Jazz with lots of soprano sax) & 3rd is Dave Brubeck's Greatest Hits also Jazz with a favorite song of hers "Take Five" . I set them to play in that order because I know my wife. She was a DJ at the University of Miami in the 70's & her taste in music is 70's 80' & some 90's contemporary rock & she has developed a Motown taste (Temptations, Al Greene, Smokey Robinson & my favorite....Marvin Gay). Well I start the player & I just know she will tolerate Bach & even like one or 2 movements---they are, after all pretty music.

Then the player moves to Coltrane. By the 3rd song she is at the machine turning it down....sax riffs get on her nerves, so I come outa the office & raise my voice.....Honey, what are you doing? Thats John Coltrane!!!! Yea I know, she tells me but the bass is too loud. Thats her way of appeasing me.

So when I come into the kitchen to get some coffee, I say to her....."ya really dont like Coltrane do ya" & she replies ..... no no I like it.... then I shoot back, "come on Pam.... your full a Sh*t, ya really dont like it, admit it" ..... she brakes into a laugh....no no I like it, but.....

Well now, you could consider this conversation a vile series of lies by my wife (where I consider it Discretion) & you could consider me a degenerate cur for saying a, Heaven forbid, filthy cuss word directly to the woman I love....right!

Seriously though, it was just harmless banter between two people who love one another. You see it one way apparently & I see it another.

 

[Amy.G]

Oh come on.... now your being obtuse & I will give you a perfect example.
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I don't see what all that has to do with your post about not detesting sin. You have confused me.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don't see what all that has to do with your post about not detesting sin. You have confused me.

Let me summarize, I just put the TEMPTATIONS (the Ultimate collection) in the player. She is in the kitchen maken my favorite, hamburger pie..... now playin "My Girl" ...I guess youd say, what could make me feel this way....My Girl! :laugh:

Or maybe this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy_aahkIdEI