Can you spot the Trinity?

[SavedByGrace]

You are saying Jesus is not God. This is considered Heresy. Pray that you can see that He is. Seeing how you cannot divide God into parts. YHWH is always the eternal Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

YHWH Is the Name of each Person in the Godhead and not Godhead

 

[1689Dave]

YHWH Is the Name of each Person in the Godhead and not Godhead

God is one, how can it not be? In Christ dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When told to baptize in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the Apostles baptized believers in the name of Jesus Christ. Proving the One God is in Trinity.

 

[37818]

YHWH in verse 5 is the Lord Jesus Christ and not the Father

No. Psalms 110:5, ". . . The Lord at Thy right hand . . . ."
Psalms 110:1, "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at My right hand, . . ."
LORD > YHWH.
Lord > the man Jesus Christ.
Matthew 22:42-45.

 

[SavedByGrace]

God is one, how can it not be? In Christ dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When told to baptize in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the Apostles baptized believers in the name of Jesus Christ. Proving the One God is in Trinity.

The Name YHWH is used for the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. YHWH is not the Name of the Godhead. The Godhead is the Holy Trinity of Persons

 

[Dave G]

So you see right now 3 Persons, and One God?

Respectfully, I'm not sure how much more I could have explained how I see it.
God is three distinct Persons all agreeing as One, just as 1 John 5:7 tells me.

God the Father,
God the Son ( Word made flesh ),
and God the Holy Spirit.

All three are God, and all three exist as distinct Persons.... while at the same time being one God in the sense of being in full agreement with one another on any matter.

There is only one God, one YHWH, one Lord... but He is three-in-one.

 

[37818]

The Trinity are the Persons who are the one and the same YHWH.

 

[SavedByGrace]

No. Psalms 110:5, ". . . The Lord at Thy right hand . . . ."
Psalms 110:1, "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at My right hand, . . ."
LORD > YHWH.
Lord > the man Jesus Christ.
Matthew 22:42-45.

Are you not able to grasp this?

In verse 1 Jesus Christ is at the Right Hand of the Father.

When it says in verse 5 YHWH at your Right Hand, this is Jesus and not the Father

 

[1689Dave]

No. Psalms 110:5, ". . . The Lord at Thy right hand . . . ."
Psalms 110:1, "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at My right hand, . . ."
LORD > YHWH.
Lord > the man Jesus Christ.
Matthew 22:42-45.

You are saying Jesus Christ is not God.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Colossians 2:9 (KJV 1900)

 

[SavedByGrace]

The Trinity are the Persons who are the one and the same YHWH.

No. YHWH is the Name for each of the Persons in the Holy Trinity. God is One not YHWH

 

[Dave G]

God is one, how can it not be? In Christ dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Amen.

 

[37818]

Three distinct persons all agreeing in one, just as 1 John 5:7 tells me.

Only from that earthly text but not from in Heaven.
Can you show that text is God's word? ". . .
in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth . . . ."

1 John 5:7-9, ". . . For there are three that bear record,
the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: . . ."

 

[37818]

No. YHWH is the Name for each of the Persons in the Holy Trinity. God is One not YHWH

Then you deny Deuteronmy 6:4, ". . . one YHWH . . . ."

 

[SavedByGrace]

Only from that earthly text but not from in Heaven.
Can you show that text is God's word? ". . .
in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth . . . ."

1 John 5:7-9, ". . . For there are three that bear record,
the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: . . ."

1 John 5.7 is 100% the Word of Almighty God and Inspired by the Holy Spirit. If you can't accept that then it is your problem

 

[SavedByGrace]

Then you deny Deuteronmy 6:4, ". . . one YHWH . . . ."

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

This does not say that YHWH is One. It is Speaking of the God of Israel as One

 

[1689Dave]

Only from that earthly text but not from in Heaven.
Can you show that text is God's word? ". . .
in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth . . . ."

1 John 5:7-9, ". . . For there are three that bear record,
the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: . . ."

Trinity in scripture

The corresponding word in Greek is "Τριάς" (Trias), meaning "a set of three" or "the number three." Trinity - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Found in:

“For there are three [Τριάς] that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 1 John 5:7 (KJV 1900)

Some might object the Johannine Comma is not in the older manuscripts. But Cyprian quoted it between 200 -258.

CYPRIAN 200-258 AD. Treatises (I 5:423). "and again it Is written of the Father, and of the Son. and of the Holy Spirit, ‘And these three are one' "

The Lord says, “I and the Father are one;”4 and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, “And these three are one.”5

Cyprian of Carthage. (1886). On the Unity of the Church. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), R. E. Wallis (Trans.), Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix (Vol. 5, p. 423). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Trinity in scripture

The corresponding word in Greek is "Τριάς" (Trias), meaning "a set of three" or "the number three." Trinity - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Found in:

“For there are three [Τριάς] that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 1 John 5:7 (KJV 1900)

Some might object the Johannine Comma is not in the older manuscripts. But Cyprian quoted it between 200 -258.

CYPRIAN 200-258 AD. Treatises (I 5:423). "and again it Is written of the Father, and of the Son. and of the Holy Spirit, ‘And these three are one' "

The Lord says, “I and the Father are one;”4 and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, “And these three are one.”5

Cyprian of Carthage. (1886). On the Unity of the Church. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), R. E. Wallis (Trans.), Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix (Vol. 5, p. 423). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

Before Cyprian, Tertullian quoted the verse

 

[Dave G]

"The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people [shall be] willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill [the places] with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head." ( Psalms 110:1-7 ).

Here's how I see this passage that David was inspired to write:

1) The Father said to Jesus Christ, "Sit thou at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool." That is where He is right now, until He comes again.
2) Jesus Christ shall send the rod of God's strength out of Jerusalem ( Zion ).
3) His people, the saints, shall be willing in the day of His power.
4) The Father has sworn to the Son that Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek ( See the book of Hebrews ).
5) The Lord Jesus, currently at the right hand of the Father, shall strike through, or kill, kings in the day of His wrath ( His second coming ).
6) Jesus Christ shall judge among the heathen, and He shall fill places with dead bodies and wound the heads over many countries...just as the prophets foretold.
7) Not sure yet.

 

[Dave G]

Only from that earthly text but not from in Heaven.
Can you show that text is God's word? ". . .

I'm not sure that this is the thread for that, and as I recall, we've already discussed that in other threads.
But respectfully, I know that it's God's word, while it seems that you question the validity of it...
which is your right to do.

To me it belongs there and was there when the Lord had John write it, despite what many scholars ( especially today ) would have us to believe.
Again, I do not doubt that it is God's word, and nothing anyone can do or say will ever make me think it's not,
since I've already satisfied myself over many years and much research that it is genuine...
As well as being true according to the context of the passage and how it "sounds" to my soul when I both read it and hear it read.

I'm sorry that we do not agree on this, as well as many other things that His word has to say.
As Amos 3:3 states, " Can two walk together, except they be agreed? ".
No.

So, those things that we are holding to, stand between us.

1 John 5:7-9, ". . . For there are three that bear record,
the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: . . ."

I agree.

" For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son." ( 1 John 5:7-9 ).

The witness of God ( the three that bear record, or "bear witness", in Heaven ) in the above, is far greater than the witness of men.

If some men try to tell me that 1 John 5:7 is not God's word,
then the fact that God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit as shown in the above ( the "Trinity" ) are a greater witness, is what I trust in...not scholars.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Trinity in scripture

The corresponding word in Greek is "Τριάς" (Trias), meaning "a set of three" or "the number three." Trinity - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Found in:

“For there are three [Τριάς] that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 1 John 5:7 (KJV 1900)

Some might object the Johannine Comma is not in the older manuscripts. But Cyprian quoted it between 200 -258.

CYPRIAN 200-258 AD. Treatises (I 5:423). "and again it Is written of the Father, and of the Son. and of the Holy Spirit, ‘And these three are one' "

The Lord says, “I and the Father are one;”4 and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, “And these three are one.”5

Cyprian of Carthage. (1886). On the Unity of the Church. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), R. E. Wallis (Trans.), Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix (Vol. 5, p. 423). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

Cyprian and Tertullian on 1 John 5:7

 

[Yeshua1]

God is one, how can it not be? In Christ dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When told to baptize in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the Apostles baptized believers in the name of Jesus Christ. Proving the One God is in Trinity.

The father and the Holy Spirit are not dwelling in jesus are they?