Canada passes another liberty limiting law.

[carpro]

This is true. Gender dysphoria is where gender identity causes clinical distress and often need medical treatment. But there are many folks who have transitioned to their new identity without distress or are no longer distressed. They do not have gender dysphoria.

No one tyransitions to a new sexual identity. They are what they are born, no matter how many drugs they take or how many operations they get. They don't get a "choice". Genetics always tell the truth, while people lie to themselves.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Genetics always tell the truth, while people lie to themselves.

Viable sex chromosome combinations include:
XY
XX
X
XXX
XXY
XYY

It is exceedingly rare to have 4 sex chromosomes.

In embryology, the male and female internal sex organs develop from the same type of tissue depending on different signals around week 8 or so if I remember my embryology and the external organs around week 9-12. A lot can go wrong during this period where external and internal don't match each other or the chromosomes.

And then there are diseases where there are enzymes missing in the pathways that synthesize testosterone or estrogen so that the primary hormone produced by an XX person is testosterone and vice versus.

 

[Matt Black]

Gender dysphoria is where gender identity causes clinical distress and often need medical treatment. But there are many folks who have transitioned to their new identity without distress or are no longer distressed. They do not have gender dysphoria.

And they deserve to be treated with the same respect afforded any other person, not rudeness.

 

[Gold Dragon]

And they deserve to be treated with the same respect afforded any other person, not rudeness.

People who feel the need to be rude and offensive to others to feel powerful are very sad individuals that should be pitied for not having developed beyond puberty.

 

[carpro]

And they deserve to be treated with the same respect afforded any other person, not rudeness.

Of course.

As long as they don't expect everyone else to be as "confused" about their gender as they are.

 

[Alcott]

And they deserve to be treated with the same respect afforded any other person, not rudeness.

Did the scribes and pharisees deserve the same, and Herod, or did they deserve Jesus' "rudeness?"

 

[carpro]

Viable sex chromosome combinations include:
XY
XX
X
XXX
XXY
XYY

Medications and surgery still can't change what they are. They don't get a choice.

 

[TCassidy]

Great, so you trivialise gender dysphoria. Not impressed.

PLEASE! You are attacking me! I specifically asked you to address me as Your Imperial Majesty and, even though you claimed you would, you refuse to honor your word! You are rude. You demean me! My life is shattered by your mean spirited refusal to address me as I want to be addressed!

You big meany you!

 

[Gold Dragon]

Medications and surgery still can't change what they are. They don't get a choice.

And what gender are the folks where chromosomal, internal genital, external genital, hormonal or brain gender do not match up?

For a vast majority of folks that choose a different gender to the one they were assign at birth (by doctors/nurses based on external genitalia) their chromosomal, internal genital, external genital, hormonal and brain genders do line up. But there are still those that do not. What do you say to them? Which feature do you use to define their gender?

 

[Matt Black]

PLEASE! You are attacking me! I specifically asked you to address me as Your Imperial Majesty and, even though you claimed you would, you refuse to honor your word! You are rude. You demean me! My life is shattered by your mean spirited refusal to address me as I want to be addressed!

You big meany you!

Even less impressed that you continue to mock those afflicted with this medical condition. Shameful behaviour.

 

[TCassidy]

Even less impressed that you continue to mock those afflicted with this medical condition. Shameful behaviour.

You keep attacking me! You keep insulting me! You keep demeaning me! You said you would call me whatever I wanted you to call me but you have not kept your word! How hateful of you! How vicious! How inhuman! [sob]

 

[Use of Time]

You keep attacking me! You keep insulting me! You keep demeaning me! You said you would call me whatever I wanted you to call me but you have not kept your word! How hateful of you! How vicious! How inhuman! [sob]

You have a mental disorder?

 

[TCassidy]

You have a mental disorder?

Do you believe that all people who have any form of transformational identity have a mental disorder?

 

[Use of Time]

Do you believe that all people who have any form of transformational identity have a mental disorder?

No, of course not but without knowing what's happening with a person I fail to see the usefulness or willfully malicious desire to be disrespectful. It's a weird line to draw in the sand. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Christians are obsessed with this sin more than any other and it's the one most won't have to deal with if they just mind their own business. Makes no sense.

 

[Rob_BW]

The whole thing reminds of when I had family working in nursing homes. They said protocol was to present reality to the patients, even if going along with their dementia or other cognitive impairments or fantasies would have made things easier.

 

[Use of Time]

The whole thing reminds of when I had family working in nursing homes. They said protocol was to present reality to the patients, even if going along with their dementia or other cognitive impairments or fantasies would have made things easier.

Well it's a good thing they didn't have Carpro's attitude.

 

[TCassidy]

I fail to see the usefulness or willfully malicious desire to be disrespectful.

You have mistaken me for someone else. I am the one who has been preaching respect for all people on this forum for 17 years.

My point is that Matt Black said it is "Good manners to address people how they would like to be addressed;"

To which I replied:

"Great! In the future, please address me as "Your Imperial Majesty." After all, I self identify as the Emperor of the Universe."

Which he has steadfastly refused to do, thus displaying he fails to live up to his own standard of "good manners."

Why should anyone be forced to address someone in a way they know is untrue?

30 years ago, when I was still with the Sheriff's Department we would occasionally book a "transgendered" person (we used to call them transvestites) into County jail.

We didn't care how they looked. How they dressed. How they wanted to be addressed.

One thing and one thing only determined if they went to the men's jail or the woman's jail. And that was determined solely by their genitalia. Mail genitalia went to the men's jail. Lack of male genitalia went to the woman's jail. No problem.

 

[Use of Time]

You have mistaken me for someone else. I am the one who has been preaching respect for all people on this forum for 17 years.

My point is that Matt Black said it is "Good manners to address people how they would like to be addressed;"

To which I replied:

"Great! In the future, please address me as "Your Imperial Majesty." After all, I self identify as the Emperor of the Universe."

Which he has steadfastly refused to do, thus displaying he fails to live up to his own standard of "good manners."

Why should anyone be forced to address someone in a way they know is untrue?

30 years ago, when I was still with the Sheriff's Department we would occasionally book a "transgendered" person (we used to call them transvestites) into County jail.

We didn't care how they looked. How they dressed. How they wanted to be addressed.

One thing and one thing only determined if they went to the men's jail or the woman's jail. And that was determined solely by their genitalia. Mail genitalia went to the men's jail. Lack of male genitalia went to the woman's jail. No problem.

Yeah, your posts in here are nothing but respectful.

 

[TCassidy]

Yeah, your posts in here are nothing but respectful.

What post of mine do you consider disrespectful and who was I disrespecting?

 

[Use of Time]

What post of mine do you consider disrespectful and who was I disrespecting?

Matt Black and Golden Dragon were participating in a pretty civilized discussion and your continued running joke was not useful or respectful. I think you know this.