Featured Carrie Underwood succumbes to Hollywood pressure

Homosexuality is sin - full stop. I would obviously not be part of sanctioning any marriage where there is undealt with sin.

I hope that clarifies any misunderstanding. I don't know what that has to do with my explanation of why I think the state needs to keep their noses out of the marrying business. Let them acknowledge civil agreements as they see fit - let the church deal with marriage.

 

This doesn't have anything to do with my views on homosexuality. And I don't believe C4K's views need to be in question either. This is a church and state seperation issue. The state doesn't need to be in the business of telling the church who to marry anymore than the church needs to tell the state anything whatsoever. The activities of each can be and should be seperate!

There is not a thing wrong with the government regulating the contractual issues of a marriage without regulating who the churches themselves recognize as married.

On the other side, there is nothing wrong with the church not recognizing/marrying two people who the church determines is not marrying within the beliefs of that church.

This would allow same gender couples (whether hom*sexual or just good friends) to combine their households and give one another "next of kin" authorities and would also allow each individual religion to decide for themselves what constitutes a marriage of believers. It doesn't force anyone to believe something they don't. Keeps down the declaration of "unfair" in the sight of the law and boots the government out of one issue that is not/should not be theirs to regulate!

 

I have posted this concept here a few times and am generally ignored. This is the first time in my life that anyone has questioned my view that hom0sexuality is sin.

The state never should have been involved in deciding who was married.

Sure let them acknowledge legal contracts - but let the church do the marrying.

 

I'm puzzled why the OP is pinning her stance on pressure from "Hollywood".

Here is the kind of stuff Carrie and her husband are hearing at their Nashville-area church:

GracePointe "Judge Not" sermon

GracePointe has attracted quite a few Gospel musicians as congregants, Buck Rambo and Michael English, for example.

Mark Lowry of the Gaither Vocal Band interviews Underwood's pastor last month

 

And this is no doubt what the world thinks about evangelicals supporting a certain candidate who worships a false god.

 

AMEN!!! There's A LOT of folks in need of prayer.

 

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A "hearty" amen to this!!!!

 

I would be willing to perform a wedding for two "homosexuals"...as long as one of them is a man and the other is a woman.! :thumbs:

 

can question the decisions they made, but NOT their salvation, as that would be known only to Him!

Know MANY have said Elvis had a genuine faith in jesus, saved, but due to being famous so young, and due to having "yes men" around him, none dared to confront him..

Interesting that last week of his life, they found writings he made in hotel to jesus as his lord, and was seeking deliervancefrom his problems/addictions..

best topay fro carrie and Christians in Hollywood, not JUST riducule them!

 

Yes..Pray!

oops on the typo....but I think we all know what you meant..."pray for"...and I couldn't agree with you more. After all...we are all just sinners in constant need of the Grace of God. Maybe they are saved...maybe not...as you said, only truly God knows about their salvation but if we pray for God to work in their lives and have genuine compassion (a fruit of the Spirit),God will work out His purpose and plan in all of our lives. Part of real Biblical compassion though is telling the truth and not "sugar-coating" it so as "not to offend"....that's what guys like Joel Osteen do...we definitely don't need anymore of him or his ilk. If I didn't believe in genuine biblical compassion I could not live with any real hope. However,all that said....we must reprove and rebuke sin when it is so open and public. See Prov.27:5,Luke 17:3,4 ,1 Tim.5:20, Titus 1:10-16 & 2:11-15. We must stand and declare the truth particularly in this evil day we are in.

Bro.Gregraying::1_grouphug:

 

I agree that we need to 'call out" those professing Christ and doing/saying things contary to their faith in Christ...

Hopefully we adressed her in private first about this, and still should pray for her!

 

A Good Example

A good example of what I was just talking about would be Tiger Woods. While watching all the scandal surrounding him and his cheating which nearly completely torpedoed his whole career, it was revealed that he is a Buddhist. I thought to myself how sad that is and ever since then,everytime I see him play (and although he has had a rough time the last few years he is still a GREAT golfer!)anyway,everytime I see him play I bow and pray for him that our precious Lord would save his soul and give him "Somebody" real and ALIVE to live for. On that score his skills as a golfer will get him nowhere...but can you imagine what good for the Lord a truly REDEEMED Tiger Woods might be. It is not so much their "celebrity" status that matters but folks like that do have the world's "stage" to walk upon. Of course,when a "celebrity" gets saved (and some do...take Kirk Cameron for instance)...it's usually not to long before the "red carpet" gets yanked out from under them! Anyway... that is another discussion for a different thread I suppose. By the way...I could not have cared less about golf until Tiger got in the game. Since then I have been a fan!

Bless Ya'll,
Bro.Greg

 

Does pastor make three? :laugh: Just kidding....sweetie! :laugh:

 

You know what? I forgot that he was a Buddhist. I will be adding him to my prayer list. It's time for us to get serious travailing in prayer for the salvation of lost souls.

 

I wasn't questioning her salvation, Brother. All we can do is examine their walk, talk, and lifestyle, and compare them with the Word and see how they stack up against/with the Word. Can any true blood-bought christian openly(or even behind closed doors) support gay marriage?

 

I honestly did not know he was a buddhist until now. Yes, he has my prayers as well.

 

I know that it's not allowed on this board, but if you read what she says, it is because of her faith, not Hollywood, that she makes this choice.

Now you may not agree but it is unchristlike to question her salvation because she makes a choice different then the one you have made.

And really enough with the I'm not judging her BUT - that is judging her or the I'm not saying BUT....

 

I am not judging her, Christ is her Judge. If a apple is on a branch, it's an apple tree. If a pear, a pear tree. I just can't fathom anyone who claims the name of Jesus Christ would support gay marriage. That goes against the judgement God gave to Sodom and Gomorrah(sp?), and Romans 1. People can claim the name of Christ all the day long, and if He hasn't/doesn't claim them, it won't add up to a hill of beans.

 

A snippet from the link posted in the OP:

Anyone who is a true blood-bought christian has no right to alter God's immutable Word to suit the world.

 

Jerome, thanks for sharing the message from gracepointe. I really enjoyed the first part dealing with Romans 14-15 on "judging". I do not follow his lead and direction into the cultural discussion of sexuality. If his message had ended after the first part, imo, it would have been great. I do think we need to wrestle with these things, but to communicate real love and truth in relevant, honest and genuine ways rather than seeking some "happy compromise".