Catholic Bashing Threads/Posts

[Darron Steele]

A major difference between Paul and you:
1) Paul made it expressly clear that he loved and cared about the Galatians, but
2) your posts about Catholics do not reflect the same attitude -- in fact, the exact opposite.

Amen Brother :thumbs: We need to resemble men of God, not pharisees...

Amen.

It drives me batty that people who claim to follow Christ do not see this, and when shown this, steadfastly refuse conform.

It is simple: if it would be a sin in the world, then it is a sin when done `for the Lord.'

Doing what Christ told us not to do, while under pretense of serving Him, actually blasphemes Him.

We need to conduct ourselves like followers of Christ. That means holding our conduct up to the standards He set for us. That applies to our treatment of people, including Catholics whom we widely disagree with.

 

[Joe]

Amen.
It drives me batty that people who claim to follow Christ do not see this, and when shown this, steadfastly refuse conform.

Personally, I think it is a heardened heart which causes this condition.
Yet we must stand for truth in love.
This verse also comes to mind.

Proverbs 8:9- Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you. Instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still; teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning."The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Doing what Christ told us not to do, while under pretense of serving Him, actually blasphemes Him.

We need to conduct ourselves like followers of Christ. That means holding our conduct up to the standards He set for us. That applies to our treatment of people, including Catholics whom we widely disagree with.

Jesus said must follow the two greatest commandments of all, love our God with all our heart and love our neighbor as ourself. All other commandments hinges on these two.
Ephesians 4:15; 5:11 - We should speak the truth in love.

 

[Darron Steele]

...
Jesus said must follow the two greatest commandments of all, love our God with all our heart and love our neighbor as ourself. All other commandments hinges on these two.
Ephesians 4:15; 5:11 - We should speak the truth in love.

Agreed.

It seems like a lot of people want to disregard the "in love" part and claim that they are still doing what these passages say.

They want to oppose the religious tenets AND be spiteful to the people who hold them. They want to present accurate religious tenets, show the wrongness of errant religious tenets -- and add unnecessary personally nasty comments about the people holding those views.

The two great commands were preached by Jesus Christ in Matthew 22:37-40. He also preached Luke 6:31 "Treat others exactly as you would have them treat you” (NBV).

Christ also said "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments" (NASB). It makes an unpleasant statement when professing Christians refuse to follow His teachings on how to treat people they disagree with.

 

[Joe]

Agreed.

It seems like a lot of people want to disregard the "in love" part and claim that they are still doing what these passages say.

They want to oppose the religious tenets AND be spiteful to the people who hold them. They want to present accurate religious tenets, show the wrongness of errant religious tenets -- and add unnecessary personally nasty comments about the people holding those views.

The two great commands were preached by Jesus Christ in Matthew 22:37-40. He also preached Luke 6:31 "Treat others exactly as you would have them treat you” (NBV).

Christ also said "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments" (NASB). It makes an unpleasant statement when professing Christians refuse to follow His teachings on how to treat people they disagree with.

Wise Words :thumbs: Keep it balanced

Just a few days or so ago, there was a thread pertaining to hair length which made me mad. I posted back throwing a fit. The following day, when I read it, it seemed quite humorous.

We all faulter, and we all need a Savior. Yet we must stand for truth in love :godisgood:

 

[D28guy]

"It seems like a lot of people want to disregard the "in love" part and claim that they are still doing what these passages say.

They want to oppose the religious tenets AND be spiteful to the people who hold them. They want to present accurate religious tenets, show the wrongness of errant religious tenets -- and add unnecessary personally nasty comments about the people holding those views."

Well, I agree about the "nasty comments about people" part, but it seems to me that some of this criticism is regarding calling things WHAT..THEY...ARE. I believe we should always be civil and loving with people, but there is a time and place for everything, and sometimes the loving thing is to be BLUNT and tell it LIKE IT IS.

Paganism is...PAGANISM. And we can and should call it that. Idolatry is...IDOLATRY, and we can and should call it that.

And I dont believe it is "unloving" to share with someone that if they do that they ARE an idolater. (or pagan)

I've posted this recently, and I'll post it again.

Was Jesus at fault when He said THIS to some people He was speaking with...

"14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.[a]

15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’

17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?

18 And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’

19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?

20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.

21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells[c] in it.

22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.[d]

26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."

Was Christ being unloving?



I THANK GOD that there were some people back 25 years ago who told me...lovingly...that I was hell bound and a sinner, and needed to repent, embrace Christ and be born again.

Mike

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Well, I agree about the "nasty comments about people" part, but it seems to me that some of this criticism is regarding calling things WHAT..THEY...ARE. I believe we should always be civil and loving with people, but there is a time and place for everything, and sometimes the loving thing is to be BLUNT and tell it LIKE IT IS.

Paganism is...PAGANISM. And we can and should call it that. Idolatry is...IDOLATRY, and we can and should call it that.

And I dont believe it is "unloving" to share with someone that if they do that they ARE an idolater. (or pagan)

I've posted this recently, and I'll post it again.

Was Jesus at fault when He said THIS to some people He was speaking with...



Was Christ being unloving?



I THANK GOD that there were some people back 25 years ago who told me...lovingly...that I was hell bound and a sinner, and needed to repent, embrace Christ and be born again.

Mike

Amen!!

Unfortunately, so many don't want to be told they are in sin. So many want to wear those filthy rags of unrighteousness and the stench of sin and still be accepted of God.

 

[dcorbett]

I'm sorry many of you HAVE chosen to bash Catholics the way you do and am even more sorrier that some of you approve of it. IMHO, it's very unChrist-like, very unChristianly, and wouldn't be condoned by Christ or God for that matter.

IMHO, I think Catholics do a better job at being more Christ-like and Christianly than you folks. They are als far more loving, considerate, and tolerant than many folks at the BB. Catholic Answers is far better than BB. At least the Catholics don't constantly go around bashing Protestants there in the same way the Protestants bash them here. I'll be praying for you folks. Until then, I hope you enjoy wearing your self-centered, "Let's BASH Catholics!" hat.

I don't "bash" any religion, and I don't see anyone else doing it. We are a Bible-based doctrinal group, and Baptists try very hard to emulate the New Testament church. The Roman-based church PERSECUTED the real church because they wouldn't pray to the Pope, and they didn't believe in infant baptism, so THEY BURNED THEM AT THE STAKE AS HERETICS. Baptists ARE NOT PROTESTANTS - we did not break away from the Catholic church, WE WERE NEVER A PART OF IT. We don't believe that you have to be a Baptist to get to Heaven, but this pope has stated publicly that you must be Catholic to make it to Heaven.

So who is right? Obviously, they aren't. Jesus didn't mince words, and he also told his disciples to get out there and preach the gospel.

You have to stand for what is right. Political correctness is KILLING this nation.

Debbie Mc

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The Lord Jesus Christ and God would not condone bashing Catholics... true. But they would condone unmasking the iniquity found in the Catholic religion. They would be in the front of the Battle against that den of iniquity too.

 

[D28guy]

Godly Woman,

"IMHO, I think Catholics do a better job at being more Christ-like and Christianly than you folks. They are als far more loving, considerate, and tolerant than many folks at the BB."

When did the evangelical/protestant church ever murder Catholics by the millions because they would not become protestants...as the Catholic Church is guilty of regarding protestants? Torturing them. Burning them at stakes.

You call that "loving", "considerate" and "tolerant"???

"Catholic Answers is far better than BB. At least the Catholics don't constantly go around bashing Protestants there in the same way the Protestants bash them here."

"When did the evangelical/protestant church ever murder Catholics by the millions because they would not become protestants...as the Catholic Church is guilty of?

Talk about "bashing"!

I'll be praying for you folks."

Pray for the idolatrous and murderous Catholic "church". It needs it.

Mike

 

[BobRyan]

#1. We can see the history of the RCC in the dark ages - and it ain't pretty. Even the RCC was poised to confess to this at the turn of the century.

#2. We can discuss the doctrines of the RCC and point out where they are in error according to scripture.

But beyond that - I don't think we gain anything by calling them names and making claims about their salvation status "just because someone is Catholics".

Christ had infallible and infinite wisdom guiding him in all that He did -- he could make charges against the leaders of the one true nation-Church started by God at Sinai. I don't think we can take that position as God and also label anyone we feel like labeling as "hypocrit" or as "lost".

We can point the way to the Gospel - the way to salvation and we can point to a correct understanding of scripture and we can give our own testimony of how this has worked for us.

We can also point to specific details of scripture proving our claim to find doctrinal errors in the denomination/church being discussed.

I don't think that real evangelism will let us go much beyond that.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Darron Steele]

I don't "bash" any religion, and I don't see anyone else doing it. We are a Bible-based doctrinal group, and Baptists try very hard to emulate the New Testament church. The Roman-based church PERSECUTED the real church because they wouldn't pray to the Pope, and they didn't believe in infant baptism, so THEY BURNED THEM AT THE STAKE AS HERETICS. Baptists ARE NOT PROTESTANTS - we did not break away from the Catholic church, WE WERE NEVER A PART OF IT. ...

Godly Woman,



When did the evangelical/protestant church ever murder Catholics by the millions because they would not become protestants...as the Catholic Church is guilty of regarding protestants? Torturing them. Burning them at stakes.

You call that "loving", "considerate" and "tolerant"???



"When did the evangelical/protestant church ever murder Catholics by the millions because they would not become protestants...as the Catholic Church is guilty of?...

So on the basis of things that happened centuries ago, and/or in other parts of the world, you are willing to make nasty statements about Catholics in general -- including ones that live in your town?

Looks like a grudge to me.

`They did it to us, so we can do it to them' is NOT the way of Christ.

Luke 6:35 "But love your enemies, and do them good, and lend, never despairing; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be sons of the Most High: for he is kind toward the unthankful and evil" (ASV).

Romans 12:17 "Render to no man evil for evil. Take thought for things honorable in the sight of all men" (ASV).

1 Thessalonians 5:15 "See that none render unto any one evil for evil; but always follow after that which is good, one toward another, and toward all" (ASV).

1 Peter 3:9 "not rendering evil for evil, or reviling for reviling; but contrariwise blessing; for hereunto were ye called, that ye should inherit a blessing" (ASV).​

I do not think that Christ, Paul, and Peter were `blowing smoke.'

Furthermore, most Catholics here in the United States are probably not your enemy on their own volition. It looks like some of you have chose to deem them your enemies.

 

[Darron Steele]

Well, I agree about the "nasty comments about people" part, but it seems to me that some of this criticism is regarding calling things WHAT..THEY...ARE. I believe we should always be civil and loving with people, but there is a time and place for everything, and sometimes the loving thing is to be BLUNT and tell it LIKE IT IS.

Paganism is...PAGANISM. And we can and should call it that. Idolatry is...IDOLATRY, and we can and should call it that.

And I dont believe it is "unloving" to share with someone that if they do that they ARE an idolater. (or pagan)

I've posted this recently, and I'll post it again.

Was Jesus at fault when He said THIS to some people He was speaking with...

"14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.[a]

15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’

17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?

18 And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’

19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?

20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.

21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells[c] in it.

22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.[d]

26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."

Was Christ being unloving?



I THANK GOD that there were some people back 25 years ago who told me...lovingly...that I was hell bound and a sinner, and needed to repent, embrace Christ and be born again.

Mike

Christ was not being unloving. Christ, being able to read minds, was able to say these things. He was able to speak with 100% accuracy about the people He was talking about.

Guess what: He never once told us to speak to others like He did to the Pharisees.

You, and I, and folks like you and I, cannot read minds. We are not told to talk to people like this.

Christ did not use the sharp tongue every time He could have.

Mar 10:17 And as he was going forth into the way, there ran one to him, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good save one, even God.
Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor thy father and mother.
Mar 10:20 And he said unto him, Teacher, all these things have I observed from my youth.
Mar 10:21 And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Mar 10:22 But his countenance fell at the saying, and he went away sorrowful: for he was one that had great possessions. (ASV).

Jesus said only what was NEEDED.

Now, it is good that a person told you that you were a sinner, Hell-bound, needed to repent and come to Christ. I assume s/he stopped there, saying what needed to be said out of genuine care for you.

It is probably good that this person did not berate you in third person about how you were a "paganist," "idolater," "butcher," and whatever other derogatory designation s/he could come up with. I doubt any of these statements about you would have been true.

I find the rationalizations I see here disgusting. `We need to tell unbelievers that they are sinners and Hell-bound, and that is unpleasant -- so there is no reason at all to say the nastiest things about them that we can come up with.' Nonsense.

Christ told us how to treat people -- Matthew 23:37-40, Luke 6:31, etc.. The fact that we sometimes have to tell them truths about their status before God that they do not want to hear does not mean we get to disregard Christ's teachings.

 

[Darron Steele]

I am getting the impression that some here hate Catholics more than they love Christ.

Rather than simply do as He commanded of us -- and simply avoid doing the opposite -- they keep wrangling for reasons to assert it is `okay' to do what He did not tell us to do.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is begotten of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 Hereby we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and do his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.(ASV)

Why not simply do as Christ taught us, and not look for reasons to do the opposite.

 

[Joe]

Christ had infallible and infinite wisdom guiding him in all that He did -- he could make charges against the leaders of the one true nation-Church started by God at Sinai. I don't think we can take that position as God and also label anyone we feel like labeling as "hypocrit" or as "lost".

We can point the way to the Gospel - the way to salvation and we can point to a correct understanding of scripture and we can give our own testimony of how this has worked for us.

We can also point to specific details of scripture proving our claim to find doctrinal errors in the denomination/church being discussed.

I don't think that real evangelism will let us go much beyond that.

in Christ,

Bob

Amen Bob :thumbs:

To the others, why are we debating something (name calling) which is forbidden on this message board?

 

[Joe]

This is not real life. We can't surmize the situation as effectively. We are not sinless perfection like Jesus

We are not Jesus, we are his followers.

Children as young as 14 post here. They are children. We do not know whether we are talking to kids until we get to know them, period. Ask questions, socialize with the person before going off like a rabbid animal on them. How convoulted!

Also, the two recent visitors who are into Catholic Doctrine are woman. How dare the men attack the women in this way :BangHead: Jesus related to men and women differently. Unless someone is promoting something that could potentially really hurt another person, have patience.

 

[DHK]

This is not real life. We can't surmize the situation as effectively. We are not sinless perfection like Jesus

We are not Jesus, we are his followers.

And he is our example. Jesus rebuked and condemned sin over and over again. Have you not read:

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Has anyone here used language that strong against the Catholics.

How about here:
Matthew 23:13-17 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

Have any of us used language this sharp against the Catholics? Yet Jesus is our example isn't He?

What about Paul?
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

He was such a loving man wasn't he?

The point is that the Bible commands one to point out error when that error will lead one to eternal condemnation, and that is what Catholic doctrine will do.

 

[Joe]

And he is our example. Jesus rebuked and condemned sin over and over again. Have you not read:

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Has anyone here used language that strong against the Catholics.

How about here:
Matthew 23:13-17 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

Have any of us used language this sharp against the Catholics? Yet Jesus is our example isn't He?

What about Paul?
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

He was such a loving man wasn't he?

It seems you are cherry picking verses. Did you read all of the posts? This isn't black and white. Each situation is different. As Jesus responded to each situation differently. We can't just grab one instance and ingnore the others.

Maybe I'll post the BB rules as a refresher. Hope I am misunderstanding. Not the first time.

point is that the Bible commands one to point out error when that error will lead one to eternal condemnation, and that is what Catholic doctrine will do.

You don't know who will be saved. But I agree, it certainly looks that way. We have an obligation to point out the errors of their doctrine to save their souls. No one has disputed this.
Stand for the truth in love :godisgood: Balance is key

 

[DHK]

There is enough on the news and on websites to show Catholics pray to their ancestors, to saints and to Mary in their efforts to

...in their efforts to do what? The resurrection has not yet taken place. People remember (and only remember) their loved ones by sometimes going to a cemetary. They don't normally pray to a corpse in the ground. They realize that the "person" is dead. So why pray to a dead person. Whether or not the spirit is in heaven is irrelevant. The command in the Bible forbids one to pray to the dead. The dead can do nothing. In fact you have no evidence that those spirits can see or hear you, or even have any evidence of your existence. They may have all of that memory erased from their mind. You don't know. They are not omniscient. Why do you pretend to know what goes on in heaven when you don't? How can there be no more tears in heaven if they are looking down on all the tragedy that goes on in the earth? That is an impossibility and would be more like living in a Hell than in a Heaven.

When someone dies, we, as Christians believe, that they're born again and now living in the presence of God. They are, in every sense of the word, "alive".

When a person is dead they are dead. There spirit may be in the presence of God, but you do not know if they have any knowledge of those on earth. Besides if you truly believe Catholic doctrine why lie about it. Catholics believe that when a person dies their spirits go to purgatory not to heaven.

Why would you not want to pray to your dead loved ones, to saints, and to Mary, Jesus' Mother, and ask them to pray for you?

Because prayer, all prayer is worship. All worship must be directed to God. If it is not directed to God it is idolatry. Every time you pray to anyone else but God you commit idolatry. It is that simple. Prayer is worship.

If it's wrong for some to pray to dead loved ones, the saints, and Mary as if they were very much alive and living in the presence of God then, IMHO, it's wrong for others to get into prayer groups and ask their family, friends, and pastor to pray for them.

Apples and oranges. There is a difference between praying TO a person, and asking a person to pray FOR you. Do you bow down and pray to your family members beseeching them to interceded for you? I doubt it. That would be worship. But that is what you do before Mary. You worship Mary as God. She is a god to the RCC. In that respect there is no difference between the Hindus and the RCC. They are both polytheists. They have more than one god.

Prayer is very much a part of Christian worship, whether it's to God or in asking someone else to pray for/with you.

So you admit that you worship others.
How terrible that you commit idolatry, and admit it!

 

[D28guy]

Darron,

"Christ was not being unloving. Christ, being able to read minds, was able to say these things. He was able to speak with 100% accuracy about the people He was talking about.

Guess what: He never once told us to speak to others like He did to the Pharisees."

And I havent seen anyone here as extreme as Christ, including myself. My point was not that we should be *precisely* as sharp as He was in that passage, only that we are called to speak the truth, in love. And sometimes that means calling things...what...they...are.

"You, and I, and folks like you and I, cannot read minds. We are not told to talk to people like this."

One does not have to be a mind reader to see that the Catholic Church, as one example, is filled with paganism, idolatry, heresy, and goddess worship. All one has to do is read their official pronouncments, explanations, and prayers...and compare those things to the truth found in scripture.

Sharing the difference between what these groups teach and the scriptures is not being "unloving". It is being very loving.

Mike

 

[Eliyahu]

A major difference between Paul and you:
1) Paul made it expressly clear that he loved and cared about the Galatians, but
2) your posts about Catholics do not reflect the same attitude -- in fact,

Here you revealed a great ignorance and misunderstanding about the differences.
Galatians : Did they ever call Mary the Mother of God? Did they make statues and worship them? Did they ever claim the Purgatory? Did they have a Papacy? Did they have the Mass ( Sacrifice) ? Did they baptise the infants? Did they kill the Christians by condemning them as heretics? Did they hold the Inquisition? did they sell the Indulgence?
Galatians were indulged in the legalism ! But they were born again by the Holy Spirit, thereafter they returned to the Legalism ( Gal 3:1-6)

Roman Catholic is totally paganism, which is far away from the Christian Truth ! This is the absolute difference ! Roman Catholic has been the enemy of God throughout the history ! Millions of True Chrstians were killed by them, and many True Christians believed the Popes are the antichrists and the Anti-Christ will come in the form of Pope.
Even today, RCC persecutes the Christian missionaries in South America and in many other places, and they are preparing for the Great Tribulation ! You are overlooking or underestimating their harmfulness very much !

the exact opposite.Early church records indicate that they were a sect of people who claimed to be following Nicolas.

As I said, multiple theories. I am inclined to go with the people who were there at the time, frankly.

The theory about Nicolas is ridiculous and doesn't make sense at all. When there is no explanation about the word in the Bible, it is because the word itself is selfexplanatory, which was explained by me already. I compared many theories but found them ridiculous. YOu can present it if you have any reasonable explanation for the word.

You seem to be dodging the issue, Eliyahu.

I agree with you that the Bible criticizes improper religious views and practices. I have agreed on that before.

Further, I have never objected to you opposing the religious tenets of Roman Catholicism.

I do believe, however, evidently unlike you, that Scripture never once approves of unnecessary nasty comments made about people. I believe, evidently unlike you, that Scripture universally condemns such behavior.

What I do object to is the nasty comments about Catholics that you `squeeze in' that are not necessary. You see, you are not acknowledging that as you are opposing the religious tenets of Roman Catholicism, you squeeze in a nasty comment or two about Catholics as people.

As for reading the Bible, I suggest you start reading the passages of Scripture you evidently do not like to follow in talking about Roman Catholics as people. I would read Matthew 5-7, Luke 6:20-49, 2 Timothy 2:24-5, James 3:16.

I have read those portion of Bible enough, and in my actual life I am practising the belief and teachings by Christ. But I notice many fake Christians are emphasizing the Love and Tolerance etc, flattering to the Roman Catholics because they are many !

They often pretend to have mercy to the people and to strictly follow the teachings of the Bible, but in fact they kiss the paganism and join the pagans in condemning the True believers. To their minds, the billions of people are gods, while the True God looks very small or nothing.

Should we please the multitude instead of God?
Gal 1:
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Bible is sometimes offensive to the Idol worshippers and adulterous people.
Romans 1:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Is the Bible generous and kind to the Idol worshippers?
1 Cor 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

If the recommendations and advice come to me from the person who have been fighting the Idolatry and goddess worship enough for the sake of Lord, I would accept it with gratitude. But the condemnations with the pretense of Love and Kindness mostly come from the tricky hypocrites flattering to the multitudes, to the Idolators, friendly to the pagan worshippers, because my apology for the Bible Truth and condemnation against the Idolatry and goddess worship have been powerful ! ( One may criticize this for the self-righteousness but I can hardly explain this by other ways)