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Catholic Taliban?

lori4dogs

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The Catholic Church killed millions of Christians during the inquisition. Any person who spoke out against any Catholic doctrine was tortured or killed. In the poorest of countries, the people's houses lacked the basic necessities of life while the Catholic churches were full of golden statues. It has been this way for centuries. If it were possible, they would have eradicated Christianity long ago. The Roman Catholic Church is no more a Christian institution than Islam.

What a bunch of 'hooey'. When I lived in Texas, it was called something else.

Read something other than 'The Trail of Blood' for your historical 'facts'. Also, I've been in a LOT of Catholic Churches and have yet to see a 'golden statue'.

As for the poor, I know of no other church doing as much for the poor as the Catholic Church.
 
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DHK

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I love the part of the article that covered the catholic bishops buring a woman up to her head and then stoning her for running away before she could be married forceably to a man 20 years her senior. Or the part where Jesuits dressed in black screamed out Allahu Akbar! when they set up a road side bomb blowing up United Nations Charity trucks drove by. Or when the Franciscan nuns captured a Jewish american Journalist and cut his head off and streamed it on the web.

I mean go figure if it was as simple as a man who broke the law being arrested by the local authorities that would be nothing but this! Yep. Just like the Taliban.
As the Bible says: "Let him who is ignorant be ignorant still."
You ignore facts. Here are some more:
Reproductive health (RH) advocates on Friday braved the rains to distribute condoms to passersby to protest the detention of famed tourist guide Carlos Celdran and the Catholic Church's stand against artificial contraception.

According to the website of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), Celdran was detained on Thursday after holding a protest inside the Manila Cathedral while an interfaith prayer service was going on.

On Friday, in two separate rallies in Mendiola and Intramuros in Manila, RH advocates expressed their support for Celdran and President Benigno Simeon Aquino III, who recently received the Church's ire for his stance on informed choice and family planning.

The protesters included members of Likhaan Center for Woman’s Health, Democratic Socialist Women of the Philippines, Filipino Free Thinkers, and Akbayan, including former Akbayan Rep. Risa Hontiveros-Baraquel.

The group expressed dismay at the Church for lobbying against the enactment of the RH bill.

The protesters claimed that contraceptives, particularly condoms, are not only for family planning but also for protection from diseases like the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

They also reminded the bishops about the separation of the Church and the State.

Celdran was detained at the Manila Police District precinct in Ermita for violating Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code.

On Friday, after spending the night at a police precinct, a still-defiant tour guide, Carlos Celdran, vowed to continue supporting the RH bill.

Celdran also said he does not fear excommunication from the Catholic Church for his beliefs, saying he can join other religious groups.

(I expected the Church to get mad but I did not expect the Church would have people jailed.)

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/202402/rh-advocates-distribute-condoms-to-protest-celdrans-detention
 

DHK

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What a bunch of 'hooey'. When I lived in Texas, it was called something else.

Read something other than 'The Trail of Blood' for your historical 'facts'. Also, I've been in a LOT of Catholic Churches and have yet to see a 'golden statue'.

As for the poor, I know of no other church doing as much for the poor as the Catholic Church.
I know of no other church who has despised and cruelly treated the poor as the Catholic Church.

Take for example St. Francis Xavier. He went to Goa, India. There he ordered an Inquisition against the poor of India. It was at the peril of the sword. Be baptized and become a Christian or DIE!! Now, that is the true nature of RCC brand of Christianity isn't it? Baptism or the sword. Live or Die. The Hindu Goans had no choice. And the sad irony of it all?? Xavier was made a saint for his mass murder!
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
So DHK is for the public distribution of condoms?

Is that we are to take from this?
It is not whether we agree or disagree with the RCC. You can choose to believe whatever you want. It is the freedom to do so. Does the RCC have the right to impose their beliefs on the rest of the nation? That is the question that must be answered. If you answer yes, then you must face the fact that these monsters are nothing more than Catholic Taliban.
 

lori4dogs

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It is not whether we agree or disagree with the RCC. You can choose to believe whatever you want. It is the freedom to do so. Does the RCC have the right to impose their beliefs on the rest of the nation? That is the question that must be answered. If you answer yes, then you must face the fact that these monsters are nothing more than Catholic Taliban.

You can't say you 'don't hate Catholics' and then call them 'monsters' in the next breath. Your words betray you!

You continue to call St. Francis Xavier a murderer. You have been told before that he died seven years before any inquisition was started in India but you continue to ingore this and slander St. Francis Xavier.

The wealthy in India hated the Catholic Church. Once a priest came and converted and baptized a slave, that person could no longer be kept as a slave. They were always ready to try to get rid of a Catholic priest any way they could.

The inquisition was used primarily against those who tried deperately to interfere with the conversion of these slaves to Christianity because if they converted they became free of slavery as well.
 
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DHK

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The inquisition was used primarily against those who tried deperately to interfere with the conversion of these slaves to Christianity because if they converted they became free of slavery as well.
You can't so easily white-wash history. It doesn't erase that easily.
Dr. Alfredo DeMello (born in Goa in 1924) is a famous historian who today lives in Uruguay in Latin America. In his brilliant book titled ‘MEMOIRS OF GOA’ he has given a detailed and graphic account of the horrors of the Inquisition in Goa and in other parts of India from 1510 to 1812. :-–
It was Francis Xavier who established the Inquisition in Goa, Spain and Portugal of which persecuting thousands and thousands of Jews and Hindus because they are Shame of the World.


Stalin was a tyrant, murderer, but at least he was not a hypocrite.


Big House, with two hundred cells.
All the persons above 15 years of age were compelled to listen to Christian preaching, failing which they were punished.The Hindus in Goa were shocked to see the God of Christianity being more cruel than that of Mohammad and therefore, deserted the territory of the Portuguese and went to the lands of the Muslims, and received enormous and incalculable evils.


OUT OF THE FRYING PAN INTO THE FIRE.
those who complained, or even prayed to Hindu-God , ran the risk of being whipped by the Guards’. with tortures of fire, cruel death.The ‘artificial’, ‘manufactured’ and ‘unnatural’ crimes criminally brought up against the Hindus , to be burnt at the stake or,burnt alive


Three kinds of torture were practised against the Hindus 1) the rope or the pulley 2) water and 3) fire. The torture by rope consisted of the arms being tied backwards and then raised by a pulley, leaving the victim hanging for some time, and then let the victim drop down to half a foot above the floor, then raised again. These continued up and down movements dislocated the joints and made the prisoner emit horrible cries of pain.


The torture by water was as follows: the victim was made to lie across an iron bar, and was forced to imbibe water without stopping. The iron bar broke the vertebrae and caused horrible pains, whereas the water treatment provoked vomits and asphyxia.


The torture by fire was definitely the worst: the victim was hung above a fire, which burnt the soles of the feet, and the jailers rubbed bacon and other combustible materials on the burning feet. The feet were burnt until the victim confessed “I am Christian “. Holy catholic priests watched this scene .


‘The name of St.Xavier happens to be well respected in our country. and there are so many educational institutions dedicated to his name all over the country where our Hindu children receive their education. These schools never tell us the truth’.


St. Francis Xavier landed in Goa on 6 May 1542, with a resolve of ‘uprooting paganism’ from the soil of India and planting Christianity in its place. And so all plans of persecution and oppression of the Hindus came along with him. All religious policies and procedures of forcible and fraudulent conversions and demolitions of the Hindu Temples and idols were undertaken under his guidance and missionary zeal.



Thus it was St.Francis Xavier who laid the foundation for the ‘compassionate’ (barbarous!) for an organized system of Holy Inquisition against the Hindus in Goa and other parts of India.And a general massacre and extermination of the Brahmins’.If there were no Brahmins in the area, all Hindus would accept conversion to our faith’.


No wonder the great German philosopher Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche [1844 –1900], ‘I call Christianity the one great curse of enormous and innermost perversion, A CURSE ON HUMANITY.
http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/the-inquisition-francis-xavier-sonias-upa-government/
 

targus

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It is not whether we agree or disagree with the RCC. You can choose to believe whatever you want. It is the freedom to do so. Does the RCC have the right to impose their beliefs on the rest of the nation? That is the question that must be answered. If you answer yes, then you must face the fact that these monsters are nothing more than Catholic Taliban.

How exactly is the Catholic Church "imposing" their beliefs on the rest of that country?

Be precise.

So far you have said and shown nothing.
 

lori4dogs

New Member
DHK, no doubt there have been many horrible acts committed in the name of Christianity over the years. Protestants like yourself have done so as well. I have no doubt some of these things may have occured by the over-zealous. However, St. Francis Xavier was DEAD long before anything like this happened. You continue to call him a murderer when there is no evidence he murdered anyone. Do you have any such evidence?
 

DHK

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How exactly is the Catholic Church "imposing" their beliefs on the rest of that country?

Be precise.

So far you have said and shown nothing.
Obama is your president. Suppose he is a Muslim. Does he have the right to impose Sharia Law, because that is his religious view?

Read post #22 carefully. Why do they call for separation for church and state? Because the Bishops have their hands in ruling the state--even if it is by payoffs, corruption, filthy lucre, etc.
Is it right to jail a person for freedom of expression?
 

DHK

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DHK, no doubt there have been many horrible acts committed in the name of Christianity over the years. Protestants like yourself have done so as well. I have no doubt some of these things may have occured by the over-zealous. However, St. Francis Xavier was DEAD long before anything like this happened. You continue to call him a murderer when there is no evidence he murdered anyone. Do you have any such evidence?
I just posted it. Can you not read??
 

targus

New Member
Obama is your president. Suppose he is a Muslim. Does he have the right to impose Sharia Law, because that is his religious view?

How is the Catholic Church "imposing their religious view"?

Be precise.

Read post #22 carefully. Why do they call for separation for church and state? Because the Bishops have their hands in ruling the state--even if it is by payoffs, corruption, filthy lucre, etc.

You have shown anything that supports this allegation.

Perhaps you could do that first.
Is it right to jail a person for freedom of expression?

If the freedom of expression was done in a way which broke other laws - then yes - it is right to jail such a person.

In this case the protestor broke the law and was arrested for violating a law.

Don't you believe that people should obey the law?

DHK - in all seriousness - you have given us nothing here except articles that don't say what you think they say. Are you reading these articles before l posting them here?
 

Amy.G

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With 65% of the registered population in the USA being RC & Growing, be afraid ....be very afraid.....:wavey:

I'm not afraid. I'm excited!! The more apostate the church becomes, the closer we are to Jesus' return!

:wavey: Back at ya!
 

DHK

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If the freedom of expression was done in a way which broke other laws - then yes - it is right to jail such a person.
You are unbelievable! Here is your stand:
You agree that the Church of England was right in jailing John Bunyan for preaching the gospel because "he was not licensed by the Church;" it was against the law.
You agree that thousands of Anabaptists got what they deserved (death by drowning), because it was against the law to baptized again.
You agree that it was right for Saul to persecute and even murder the Christians of his day because he had lawful papers to do so.
You agree that the families of Muslims are in their right to kill family members who convert to Christianity because in those countries it is against the law for Muslims to convert to Christianity.

This is the stand that you have taken.
Because it is against the law! Unbelievable!

Here is what Cedron said:
(I expected the Church to get mad but I did not expect the Church would have people jailed.)

But, hey--I suppose you would bring the gamut of the law against an unruly visitor at your church and have the police charge him with disrupting the peace. Throw the book at him. Put him in jail if you can. I am sure that you have a great Christian testimony in your community.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I'm not afraid. I'm excited!! The more apostate the church becomes, the closer we are to Jesus' return!

:wavey: Back at ya!

Yes the way we are going :smilewinkgrin: Economy crumbling, crooks abound, yes you may even be closer than you think :thumbsup:
 

targus

New Member
You are unbelievable! Here is your stand:
You agree that the Church of England was right in jailing John Bunyan for preaching the gospel because "he was not licensed by the Church;" it was against the law.
You agree that thousands of Anabaptists got what they deserved (death by drowning), because it was against the law to baptized again.
You agree that it was right for Saul to persecute and even murder the Christians of his day because he had lawful papers to do so.
You agree that the families of Muslims are in their right to kill family members who convert to Christianity because in those countries it is against the law for Muslims to convert to Christianity.

This is the stand that you have taken.
Because it is against the law! Unbelievable!

Here is what Cedron said:


But, hey--I suppose you would bring the gamut of the law against an unruly visitor at your church and have the police charge him with disrupting the peace. Throw the book at him. Put him in jail if you can. I am sure that you have a great Christian testimony in your community.

Should a Chrisitan obey the law?
 

lori4dogs

New Member
I just posted it. Can you not read??

Yes, I also read the entire link you posted that says that similar things are happening in India today, only by you Protestants. As usual, you ignore such things when it doesn't play well for your team.

St. Francis Xavier murdered no one. You have produced no such evidence. He was dead years before any such inquisition in India began. You distort facts.

History is history. History is also sometimes distorted. Look at the 'Trail of Blood". Catholics are not torturing or murdering anyone these days that I know of. However, the link you provided mentioned attrocities are going on today conducted by Protestants. You might have mentioned that don't you think?
 

lori4dogs

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hmmm, the RC churches in NYC feeds & clothes 2/3 of the poor, homeless & destitute. horrible behavior; just horrible

Yes, isn't it awful!

Trust me, there are those on this board that will find fault with the Catholic Church on the way they minister the poor, the homeless, and the destitute.
 
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