Catholics not accepted?

[JohnDeereFan]

We gained 20 MILLION members. Fact. Did Baptist gain 20 million members? No, they lost thousands! Don' t give me, 'how much did the population grow?' Your Baptist Churches are still losing members. Your pews are emptier. Lots of them are finding there ways into our Catholic Churches here in my town.

You really seem to be hung up on numbers, Lori.

Since when do we measure truth by how many people believe in something?

I find it interesting that you keep bragging about how many people are alledgedly flocking to the Catholic Church and how many are allegedly leaving Christianity (all the while, completely ignoring the fact that your claims have been debunked), when Jesus said that it's the gate to destruction that's wide and the gate to life that's narrow.

As I said, good by. I hope you visit fair blog sites where Catholic and protestants are allowed to voice opinions without being accused of proselytying. Johndeerfan got banned because he was rude, obnoixtious, slanderous, and mocking.

No, actually, the message that comes up when I try to log in is:

"Your account has been locked for the following reason:
Proselytizing and promotion of beliefs contrary to Catholicism

This change will be lifted: Never"

So, as usual, your charges are false.

In fact, I invite anyone who's interested there to look up my posts and tell me which one of them are "rude, obnoixtious, slanderous, and mocking".

Calls peoples fools and I'm surprised the moderators let him continue to post here. Bet he wouldn't have got away with it if he was doing it to others that didn't sypathize with the Catholic Faith.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but the Bible calls people fools. So does Jesus.

The brother whom you just smeared is someone you do not know. You have no idea what he does in regular life. The main thing I have seen him do here is speak up for the slandered. God, which would mean Jesus, said before Incarnation at Isaiah 61:8 "For I the LORD love justice" and at Micah 6:8 "It hath been told thee, O man, what is good, and what the LORD doth require of thee: only to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God" (JPS 1917). Johnv has spoken up for those being smeared in his time here. Despite the errors of Roman Catholicism, he has followed the "Blessed are the merciful" that Jesus said here on this earth. He has followed a desire to see Catholics being treated fairly despite their errors, loving justice and mercy just as the Lord does.

You, in contrast to what Jesus wants from us, are most noticed for what and whom you HATE. If you love anyone, I sure cannot tell. The opposite goes with your every post right now, as your current signature airs your ill feelings for three people: Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Joel Osteen. I know you hate Catholics, as you persist in smearing them for beliefs and practices they do not have. You have shown no compassion and no mercy: it may be false witness, but if you think you can pull it off, you will post it. It is apparent that you have no use for Johnv, as clear from the above gratuitous shot. I read about what Jesus said He wanted in His followers, and I see anything but that in you.

I dare say that you just reviled the better Christian -- if being how Jesus wants us to be is the main criteria for that, and assuming that we are going with what the Bible actually says about that.

If that's your opinion, then so be it. I'd rather be thought of as "hateful" by you for telling the truth, than to be thought of as disobedient by God for not telling the truth.

 

[Revmitchell]

You really seem to be hung up on numbers, Lori.

Since when do we measure truth by how many people believe in something?

I find it interesting that you keep bragging about how many people are alledgedly flocking to the Catholic Church and how many are allegedly leaving Christianity (all the while, completely ignoring the fact that your claims have been debunked), when Jesus said that it's the gate to destruction that's wide and the gate to life that's narrow.

It doesn't matter the Catholic church is in a much bigger state of decline than the convention is so her point is completely false and without support or merit.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

By the way, I went back to Catholic.com and did a quick "find all posts by this poster", to make sure that I hadn't actually done what Lori falsely accused me of (I didn't) and stumbled across a thread I forgot about called "Is anyone else annoyed at how much Protestants stress Jesus"?

I think the title of that thread pretty much sums it up.

They also have a thread called "Irritated by sheep stealing" about how awful it is that Christians try to share the Gospel with Catholics and yet they have an entire forum dedicated to getting people out of Christian churches and into the Catholic Church.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

We gained 20 MILLION members. Fact. Did Baptist gain 20 million members? No, they lost thousands! Don' t give me, 'how much did the population grow?' Your Baptist Churches are still losing members. Your pews are emptier. Lots of them are finding there ways into our Catholic Churches here in my town.

Lori the problem with the numbers game is that Jesus made it clear that the road to heaven is Narrow with few who attain it. And that the road to destruction is wide with many people. So my initial reaction to large numbers is which path?

 

[Johnv]

Your a sorry example of a Reformed believer.

Drop the word "Reformed" and I agree with you.

Coming from two of the most hostile and pharasaical folks on this board, that's a compliment.

 

[annsni]

I don't see how he was being deceptive - he regards himself as a Christian and is entitled to register as such.

He actually tried to register as a Catholic (which is one of the choices under "Denomination" and his registration was not accepted so he changed the denomination to "Christian" to get in. That is deceptive.

 

[annsni]

I agree. It* was initially a Christological rather than Mariological statement which came to the fore in the Nestorian controversy.

*By 'it', I mean the term theotokos, which does not mean 'Mother of God' but rather 'Bearer of God'; the latter term is theologically quite correct as Mary did give birth to God the Son in His incarnate form and it doesn't have the connotations and implications of pre-existence and superiority of 'Mother of God'.

Bearer of God I can absolutely go with.

 

[annsni]

By the way, I went back to Catholic.com and did a quick "find all posts by this poster", to make sure that I hadn't actually done what Lori falsely accused me of (I didn't) and stumbled across a thread I forgot about called "Is anyone else annoyed at how much Protestants stress Jesus"?

I think the title of that thread pretty much sums it up.

They also have a thread called "Irritated by sheep stealing" about how awful it is that Christians try to share the Gospel with Catholics and yet they have an entire forum dedicated to getting people out of Christian churches and into the Catholic Church.

OK - the title of that thread makes me ill. Seriously ill.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

The brother whom you just smeared is someone you do not know. You have no idea what he does in regular life. The main thing I have seen him do here is speak up for the slandered. God, which would mean Jesus, said before Incarnation at Isaiah 61:8 "For I the LORD love justice" and at Micah 6:8 "It hath been told thee, O man, what is good, and what the LORD doth require of thee: only to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God" (JPS 1917). Johnv has spoken up for those being smeared in his time here. Despite the errors of Roman Catholicism, he has followed the "Blessed are the merciful" that Jesus said here on this earth. He has followed a desire to see Catholics being treated fairly despite their errors, loving justice and mercy just as the Lord does.

You, in contrast to what Jesus wants from us, are most noticed for what and whom you HATE. If you love anyone, I sure cannot tell. The opposite goes with your every post right now, as your current signature airs your ill feelings for three people: Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Joel Osteen. I know you hate Catholics, as you persist in smearing them for beliefs and practices they do not have. You have shown no compassion and no mercy: it may be false witness, but if you think you can pull it off, you will post it. It is apparent that you have no use for Johnv, as clear from the above gratuitous shot. I read about what Jesus said He wanted in His followers, and I see anything but that in you.

I dare say that you just reviled the better Christian -- if being how Jesus wants us to be is the main criteria for that, and assuming that we are going with what the Bible actually says about that.

By the way, am I the only one who sees the irony in this poster condemning me for saying that somebody else is a poor example of a Christian, and then spending the next three paragraphs telling me what an awful Christian I am?

 

[Johnv]

By the way, am I the only one who sees the irony in this poster condemning me for saying that somebody else is a poor example of a Christian, and then spending the next three paragraphs telling me what an awful Christian I am?

But, since you're okay with calling people poor examples of Christians, you should be okay with someone doing the same to you, and you're obviously not.

 

[Johnv]

He actually tried to register as a Catholic (which is one of the choices under "Denomination" and his registration was not accepted so he changed the denomination to "Christian" to get in. That is deceptive.

Whether his doing so was malicious or innocent, it categorically qualifies as deceptive, so you are correct.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

But, since you're okay with calling people poor examples of Christians, you should be okay with someone doing the same to you, and you're obviously not.

Sure. I'm fine with it. He's just as entitled to his opinion about me as I am to my opinions about the two of you.

It isn't that I care what he thinks of me, it's just that I find it amusing that he condemns me and then turns around and, in the same breath, does the same thing he just condemned me for doing.

 

[Johnv]

Sure. I'm fine with it. He's just as entitled to his opinion about me as I am to my opinions about the two of you.

Well, at least you're consistent. I gotta give you that much.

 

[webdog]

We gained 20 MILLION members. Fact. Did Baptist gain 20 million members? No, they lost thousands! Don' t give me, 'how much did the population grow?' Your Baptist Churches are still losing members. Your pews are emptier. Lots of them are finding there ways into our Catholic Churches here in my town.

...and we were told that in the last days things would be as they were in Noah's day. No surprise, really.

 

[webdog]

Whether his doing so was malicious or innocent, it categorically qualifies as deceptive, so you are correct.

It was clearly deceptive, as seen in this thread... http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1503398&postcount=187

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

JohnV: Whether his doing so was malicious or innocent, it categorically qualifies as deceptive, so you are correct.

HP: I would kindly disagree IF you are speaking of Fignar. He was clearly unaware as to why he could not register as a Catholic. There was absolutely no reason to ask him to leave. He conducted himself as a gentleman, and was kind and considerate.

Catholics are not part of cult by any stretch of the imagination. I am convinced that many are truly born again in spite of their many erroneous teachings. Protestants have no right, neither should they expect Catholics, to set aside the nomenclature of ‘Christian’ automatically when registering on a discussion board. IF it can be proven he knew full well that he was being intentionally deceptive, that would be a different matter. From his comments I saw nothing to establish deceit in the least. He should have been welcomed with both arms to discuss on this board or any other bearing the name Christian.

 

[billwald]

>He actually tried to register as a Catholic (which is one of the choices under "Denomination" and his registration was not accepted so he changed the denomination to "Christian" to get in. That is deceptive.

For 1000 years any person who accepted the ecumenical creeds was classified as a Christian. The major reason the Anabaptists were NOT considered to be Christians by Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, and Reformed Christians was that Anabaptists rejected the ecumenical creeds.

A better question would be why Baptists should be classified as Christians if they still reject the ecumenical creeds as representing Christian Truth? Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, and Reformed Christians still accept the ecumenical creeds as teaching Christian truths.

 

[DHK]

HP: I would kindly disagree IF you are speaking of Fignar. He was clearly unaware as to why he could not register as a Catholic.

He was refused as a Catholic and re-registered under a more generic name. He must have known something was wrong. Why not try Muslim instead?

Catholics are not part of cult by any stretch of the imagination.

You have much to learn.

I am convinced that many are truly born again in spite of their many erroneous teachings.

The gospel isn't even preached there.

Protestants have no right, neither should they expect Catholics, to set aside the nomenclature of ‘Christian’ automatically when registering on a discussion board.

This board has the right to admit or refuse whom it will. It is a private board. If you don't like the rules we will refund your money at the door.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

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Originally Posted by Heavenly Pilgrim
HP: I would kindly disagree IF you are speaking of Fignar. He was clearly unaware as to why he could not register as a Catholic.

DHK: He was refused as a Catholic and re-registered under a more generic name. He must have known something was wrong. Why not try Muslim instead?
HP: Because he is not Muslim, but he has every right to denote himself as a Christian.

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HP: Catholics are not part of cult by any stretch of the imagination.

DHK: You have much to learn.

HP: You do as well DHK, as we all do. I am no stranger to the Catholic religion and what they teach. I married a Catholic girl. A girl that came to know the Lord while in the Catholic Church and still does, although she did leave the Catholic Church.
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HP: I am convinced that many are truly born again in spite of their many erroneous teachings.

DHK: The gospel isn't even preached there.

HP: I would kindly disagree. There is enough of the gospel preached that any honestly seeking God can find Him if they will. I am fully convinced that many have found Christ in Catholic Churches in spite of the erroneous teachings. The same goes for Baptists and every other denomination I can think of. Even in my own life I have accepted erroneous teachings after becoming a believer and have since tried my best before the Lord to made corrections to them. Correct doctrine in and of itself saves no one.


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HP: Protestants have no right, neither should they expect Catholics, to set aside the nomenclature of ‘Christian’ automatically when registering on a discussion board.

DHK: This board has the right to admit or refuse whom it will. It is a private board. If you don't like the rules we will refund your money at the door.

HP: I am fully aware of that. I am only expressing my views as I see them consistent with 'Catholic' charity. :thumbsup:

Speaking of donations, it might be well to remind us more often that donations are indeed welcome. Sometimes we all are guilty of taking our privileges for granted. With so many places and causes to donate to, we sometimes can neglect the ones we appreciate the most. Thanks for the reminder. :thumbs:

 

[Johnv]

It's obvious that some of you have never been to a Catholic mass. I'm sure it's many of those same folks who would look down upon the rest of us for having done so.