Is Fiducia Supplicans now a dead letter? Or as we like to say in Jersey, “Forget About It” and's “Frankie baby, what was youse thinking?” 
‘Fiducia Supplicans’ 2.0
‘Fiducia Supplicans’ 2.0
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Ah huh, this is exactly what Cardinal Ratzinger was suggesting during his 23 years as the Papal Prefect! Have you read him? I personally thought that the RCC was indeed a dead creature in the World, but maybe…it’s in Gods plans, not ours.
Is Fiducia Supplicans now a dead letter? Or as we like to say in Jersey, “Forget About It” and's “Frankie baby, what was youse thinking?”
‘Fiducia Supplicans’ 2.0
OMG… let’s be honest, this Papal Prefect is ambitious, convoluted and shady and he is making the RCC look ridiculous in the eyes of the world… including the Catholic world. One might consider that this particular pope has some hidden agenda and now is allowing his hand pict Prefect (Cardinal Fernandez) flop around like a fish outa water. 
People need to start out with prayer, fasting and penance as the emphasis ie making sacrifices.
It creates a protected ecosystem of Grace that allows The Lord to build the house. Solve the Jesus deficiency by the humilities of prayer, fasting and penance, but it also settles the restitution before the spiritual enterprise.
You can’t start anything if there is outstanding spiritual restitutions, it’s got to be done beforehand. Very, very important.
Then Jesus can go out with unrestricted power, people are out of His way.
Acts of charity.
I pray for protestants in purgatory because they have no one to pray for them or alleviate their terrible sufferings, only us Catholics pray for the Holy Souls, they can not pray for themselves. They are forgiven, but they can’t make restitution but by ordeal to Divine Justice. So it’s a great act of charity to remember the Holy Souls, but you get the most powerful advocates to the Lord for blessing because of them.
The suffering Holy Souls call down a great storm of blessings on their benefactors.
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I recently read: "Jesus, The Apostles and The Early Church".
He was quite the historian… RIP Benedict.
. The reason I asked about the Latin mass is so it is much the same format as I was raised with for many years. We dress for church in those days, the service was very focused on Christ, and it was a very solemn & full in spiritual enrichment. During communion, you knelt to receive the Eucharist. Families were always together ( something I miss but my Primitive Baptist practices provide for) I’d advise you to experience it if you haven’t before Frank chloroforms it.
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Where do you find purgatory in the scriptures?
He was quite the historian… RIP Benedict.
I became Catholic in The Maronite Catholic Church which has probably the most ancient form of the Eucharist that has been preserved through the centuries. It is an Eastern Rite Church but not Orthodox Catholic. I attended for years before moving to a location absent a local Maronite parish. It is a very solemn mass and 'full of spiritual enrichment'. Take a moment a listen to the words of institution which are sung in the same language (Syriac) that Jesus would have used at the Last Supper:
2 Macc 12:46 “It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins “
Purgatory is real, we also have testimony of the saints and souls who have witnessed and returned. The Church has known it from the start.
The main mistake protestants made was to think that everything would be explicitly stated in scripture. This is a case in which one theological error leads to another.
This is why Protestants and Baptists suffering in purgatory have no one to pray for them, and why in life, they never prayed for others suffering in purgatory.
Some people have said over the eons that those in Purgatory are already saved and assured of Salvation, so it is not as important as praying for people’s salvation, so let it play out.
The problem is that Purgatory is terrible suffering, a moment there is like years here.
“If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”
It’s not just our works examined, but also our neglects. Restitution has to be made after people are forgiven, because God is a Just judge.
A thief stole a man’s tools of trade one time. The man lost his livelihood and house and had to live in the streets with his family for 10 long years with major hardship, privations and suffering for his family.
The thief later got shot stealing again, but as he lay dying he asked God to forgive him and that he was sorry for all his sins, and God forgave him.
The thief was forgiven and not sentenced to hell, but he was not able to make restitution to those who he had caused so much suffering. This restitution still had to be paid, what the thief had done had caused generational effects.
People never get out until they have paid to the last penny.
Whilst it’s easy to pay a debt of restitution here, a soul has a very hard path and ordeal to pay the restitution by suffering on the other side, the suffering they caused is paid by suffering.
Same with the woman that stole an inheritance from her mentally challenged half brother. She used his incapacity to gain power of attorney, sold the house left to him and also took half a million dollars that was meant secure him through life.
The brother ended up living in a burned and rusted out car in a junk yard, the car had no windows and he died alone and afraid one winter night from pneumonia.
She later died repentant, but had to undergo the suffering she caused but magnified many factors over in the spiritual to make up the equivalent of the physical world.
Mrs.Fitch next door was an old widow pensioner. One day we hit a cricket ball through her window, part of it was stained glass, which all fell away.
Mrs.Fitch loved us and forgave us, but she had little money even to pay the premium for a claim.
So we had to pay it, Dad initially, but we had to pay him every last buck with useful equivalent in painful work.
Just a side note: There are also things in the reverse from the spiritual to the physical, as with David not being able build the Temple, Moses not able to enter promised Land. But that’s another issue.
Also praying for people who had great worldly power, their wrong doings effect millions of people. They can not make restitution but by suffering greatly till the end of time.
What a terrible belief system you have ( crime & punishment). God is both justice and mercy and I believe He tends toward mercy and forgiveness…. He would never have souls rot in a holding tank until they pay for some perseived sin. In your explanation, you have not even begun to discuss the Doctrine of Sin, ie Mortal vs Venial as was explained to me in my childhood Catechism. At the very least, I would have expected a much more thorough examination of your uniquely RC doctrine. Frankly I’m disappointed in your incomplete outline… you do more harm than good in this.
Purgatory is a very great mercy, otherwise a soul could not make restitution after it dies forgiven and the only other place for it would be eternity in hell.
But those in hell need eternity to satisfy for the damages they have amassed, so those with less than an eternities worth of restitution can suffer in restitution in purgatory. Eventually they will enter the light.
Jesus doesn’t want souls suffering in purgatory, but His Mercy allows it, souls find a place there that suits, a place that does not hurt from the Eternal Light.
It’s not “ some perceived sin “ the sin is forgiven, it’s restitution, it’s the damages part after the trial.
This is why we fast and do penance, not just to make restitution for the damages we incur but also for the damages that others incur. Whilst others are wallowing in vices and accruing damages, and causing others to live painful, diminished lives. We do the opposite.
We fast, sleep on the floor, have cold showers, keep night vigils denying sleep, deny comforts and many other things.
Almsgiving is giving away something that truly hurts to give. Instead of going on a cruise ship holiday that you were long saving for, you give that money to help those less fortunate. That offering being made in restitution for your own damages and for the souls in purgatory, restitution for the suffering and miseries they caused others.
Everything has more value here, because we are completely and perfectly free. A voluntary fast or penance here carries massive value spiritually. It can alleviate very hard suffering of souls in Purgatory, or fully pay out their restitutions, and they enter the Eternal Light, no longer holding anything against themselves in grief. It’s a beautiful sight.
Personally and from what I have been shown, grief is what they suffer mostly from, at what they have caused others to suffer, by omission or commission.
They are Holy Souls, they don’t feel sorry for themselves, but their sufferings are very great because they have seen the Light of Glory and are drawn to it with all their heart, but can not enter till their restitutions are paid.
Offer up your sufferings, inconveniences, prayers and penances to God, to bring a cool rain on the Holy Souls in purgatory and pay their restitutions completely. Ask Jesus to help and take the most forgotten souls especially the ones who have no one to pray for them.
You are delusional. There is no such thing as purgatory. It’s a BS fantasy created by the RCC church to cause fear and allow a profit system to languish among the priestly class. How in Gods good name could anyone believe such manipulative nonence
It’s not such a terrible belief, it is beautiful in fact, I know Purgatory is real the same way I know Baptism is salvific, I was shown emphatically. I have no excuse to not believe it.
Jesus Mercy is Justice and His Justice is Mercy. There is no mercy without justice, and no justice without mercy.
Jesus is Perfect in His Judgement, that’s what we really need to know.
You forgive a bloke who breaks your face, and don’t press charges, that is merciful. Is it Just that he pays your medical bills and pays your wages for your time off work?
There is a Just restitution to be made by the guy even after you forgave him, do you understand?
In the spiritual restitution is made by suffering. Those in hell make eternal restitution to Justice, those in Purgatory make temporary restitution to Justice.
Jesus will get a better vengeance for you than any human vengeance, nothing escapes Him, vengeance is His alone. So hand it over to Jesus, forgive and keep on praising Him.
No one gets away with anything, they may escape here, but with Jesus He is very exacting if they pass through the door of His Justice.
No, I’m just undiagnosed.
Yes there is.
It’s not manipulative nonsense, it’s an absolute reality.
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In reality this is just the RCC minipulating people into buying mass cards and indulgences. Nobody takes this stuff seriously. The Roman Catholics in reality have repeatedly overstepped their boundaries…they have murdered people who have disagreed and attempted to practice true Christianity yada yada. God bless the Baptists!
“Settle with your opponent quickly while on the way to court with him. Otherwise your opponent will hand you over to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison. Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.”
We must make restitution in this life, restitution here is easy, far easier than in Purgatory.
Purgatory is the hardest way to make restitution, you will stay till the last penny is paid.
When thieves come and steal from your house, take precious things, we go through a range of emotions but eventually we forgive, and hand it over to Jesus.
This is what is happening in this scripture verse, the handing over to the Judge.
I know that thieves are crushed by whatever they stole. Only in the spiritual it is far worse than physical crushing here. There is no equivalent here.
In this age there has been this all pervading and intoxicating notion that we don’t have to repay restitution for our wrongs, injustices and infidelities. The fact is Jesus never forgets any outstanding debts owed anyone.
Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.
We must make restitution in this life, restitution here is easy, far easier than in Purgatory.
Purgatory is the hardest way to make restitution, you will stay till the last penny is paid.
When thieves come and steal from your house, take precious things, we go through a range of emotions but eventually we forgive, and hand it over to Jesus.
This is what is happening in this scripture verse, the handing over to the Judge.
I know that thieves are crushed by whatever they stole. Only in the spiritual it is far worse than physical crushing here. There is no equivalent here.
In this age there has been this all pervading and intoxicating notion that we don’t have to repay restitution for our wrongs, injustices and infidelities. The fact is Jesus never forgets any outstanding debts owed anyone.
Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.
These guys do not know the spiritual reality, Purgatory is very real, it’s not a joke.
This is why Protestants in purgatory have no one to pray for them, people don’t give them a second thought.
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