Catholics please share how you feel….

[Cathode]

Well, a major disagreement. We can still discuss how and why we disagree case by case. Those 27 New Testament books in and of themselves are Apostolic. And are solely the verbal plenary God breathed written word of God given to God's church along with the Old Testament 39 books.

The Christianity has never been just a text book without a teacher.

The Catholic Church determined and assembled the Bible from its own tradition and Liturgy. It was the authority of the Catholic Church that told us what books were God breathed in the first place. And maintained the Apostolic interpretation of scripture.

That is why these new human founded traditions of men in Protestantism have no authority to tell anyone what scripture means, they had nothing to do with the Bible. They only wrongfully interpret scripture, cause ignorance and a loss of souls through that ignorance.
You say that there is perhaps only dozens of interpretive traditions in “Bible alone “Protestantism, I disagree, but let’s grant you that. Which of these traditions teaches the truth of scripture, and why is that interpretive tradition of more authority than the others?

The fact is none of these human founded interpretive traditions has any more authority than the others, and none of them had anything to do with determining or authenticating the Canon of Scripture.

Only the Catholic Church did that, and only the Catholic Church has the authority to interpret the meaning of its book.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Wow. Do you mean that if everything was sold up, each Catholic would get $65 dollars.
I’d rather have a Church to worship in I think.

Then become a Baptist! There are enough brethren on BB that could help you there. Roman Catholicism is a religious syndicate hell bent on filling the membership rosters & their own coffers in order to dominate the world population. You have yourself indicated that they do very little to assist people in need (like they once did). It would be better for you to dissolve your relationship with the RCC and consider moving to a Eastern Rite church, if you want a deep completive prayer life. At least you can still be Catholic without popish dictating your life.

And I’m not saying that there are not good Christian people in the Roman Catholic Church, I’m saying that for what ever reason they are not recognizing the manipulative nature of the Roman church…. Evidence this Blessings of same sex couples thing …. And this Catholic (which Catholic?) Charities thing financing US borders crossings with everything a person wants in order to make it happen (under the guises of helping the poor)! Frankly, it’s demonic. So who are you really serving Cathode…God or mammon? People are coming here without homes, jobs, understanding language, cold, tired, etc. Where has Catholic Charities Prepared them for life in a foreigner country? Subsequently there is sudden heightened lawlessness.

I wish that you would see the hidden agenda for what it really is. Rather than pray for the souls in purgatory, pray for the live people being lied to who are huddled in a foreign country waiting for their ship to come in. It isn’t an easy life to be sure.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Christianity has never been just a text book without a teacher.

The Catholic Church determined and assembled the Bible from its own tradition and Liturgy. It was the authority of the Catholic Church that told us what books were God breathed in the first place. And maintained the Apostolic interpretation of scripture.

That is why these new human founded traditions of men in Protestantism have no authority to tell anyone what scripture means, they had nothing to do with the Bible. They only wrongfully interpret scripture, cause ignorance and a loss of souls through that ignorance.
You say that there is perhaps only dozens of interpretive traditions in “Bible alone “Protestantism, I disagree, but let’s grant you that. Which of these traditions teaches the truth of scripture, and why is that interpretive tradition of more authority than the others?

The fact is none of these human founded interpretive traditions has any more authority than the others, and none of them had anything to do with determining or authenticating the Canon of Scripture.

Only the Catholic Church did that, and only the Catholic Church has the authority to interpret the meaning of its book.

and so that’s your reason for the Roman Catholic Church murdering dissenters correct? It was OK for the ROMAN Catholic Church to burn Huss at the stake because of the unpardonable sin of wanting the RCC to reform (from within)! And I suppose Martin Luther, a trained Augustan monk and priest, had no authority either so it was OK to harass him into burning his books and recant under pain of execution? Is that your idea of Christian love and commitment to truth?!? Of course I could go on, pointing out again and again the murderous ways of the Roman Catholic Church but you know all this already yet here you are, on a Baptist Forum, criticizing Protestant beliefs & faith. One wonders if you are not in fact an agent for the RCC set out to create discord among the brethren.

 

[Cathode]

Then become a Baptist! There are enough brethren on BB that could help you there. Roman Catholicism is a religious syndicate hell bent on filling the membership rosters & their own coffers in order to dominate the world population. You have yourself indicated that they do very little to assist people in need (like they once did). It would be better for you to dissolve your relationship with the RCC and consider moving to a Eastern Rite church, if you want a deep completive prayer life. At least you can still be Catholic without popish dictating your life.

The problem with this proposal, is that I have seen the reality of the Eucharist, the reality of baptismal regeneration of an infant, and the reality of Purgatory. And having seen, I cannot unsee.

These I know are real, what I was taught has been confirmed by actual experience.

What kind of betrayal would it be, to deny a truth that was granted for me to know by pure and gracious privilege.

It’s a great privilege to know, whilst I look around as many others, better men than me are believing only by faith. Their’s is the better path, with privileges of its own.
There are countless others that don’t believe and will never know until they die.

To deny these truths, would betray all of these people including you, and myself.

So what kind of Baptist would you be receiving into your fold at that point.

 

[Mikey]

 

[canadyjd]

Purgatory exists whether someone believes in it or not.

Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true and the doctrine is contrary to scripture. That’s why we base our beliefs in scripture, otherwise, we have 8 billion opinions of what is true.

peace to you

 

[Cathode]

and so that’s your reason for the Roman Catholic Church murdering dissenters correct? It was OK for the ROMAN Catholic Church to burn Huss at the stake because of the unpardonable sin of wanting the RCC to reform (from within)! And I suppose Martin Luther, a trained Augustan monk and priest, had no authority either so it was OK to harass him into burning his books and recant under pain of execution? Is that your idea of Christian love and commitment to truth?!?

We live in pluralist societies in the west today, and for the most part differences are tolerated and surprisingly and thankfully many times celebrated.
In those times societies were not pluralist and heresies had the potential of causing massive societal upheaval, and civil authorities were very worried about heresy most of all.
See the western world was for the most part peacefully Catholic for a thousand years after converting the pagans.
Luther’s heresy caused the death of 130,000 Catholic men women and children in Germany in one year alone. That’s 37 times more deaths in one year than the whole Spanish Inquisition over 300 years. That was just in Germany, and there was no trial long before execution or opportunity for exile as with the Inquisition.

So yes, only in non pluralist societies, it is better and the moral thing to do, to execute a heretic, than suffer the horrendous death tolls the heretics like Luther cause. It’s the old principal of, It is better that one man should die, than a whole people. By far lesser of two evils.

Of course I could go on, pointing out again and again the murderous ways of the Roman Catholic Church but you know all this already yet here you are, on a Baptist Forum, criticizing Protestant beliefs & faith.

Well, if my beliefs aren’t attacked, then I’m not forced to defend them. I can peaceably fellowship with people I consider brethren, but most important to me is to write down what’s on my heart at the time, and I write to preach to myself mostly. And people here have been gracious enough to give me a couple of sub forums to write on. Catholic sites are monotonous, just have the same things each time, so I have learned more on different sites with different perspectives.

One wonders if you are not in fact an agent for the RCC set out to create discord among the brethren.

You mean sent by the shadowy order of Jesuits from the Dark heart of the Vatican catacombs, sworn by blood oath in secret ceremonies to harass Baptist’s on their message forums.

The boring reality is that I’m a gardener with a limp, and main carer for aged parents, and do street ministry. I enjoy long romantic walks around water holes with my shotgun, shooting feral pigs and geese. That about sums me up.

 

[canadyjd]

This thread has swerved way off point.

As Catholics, do you support the statement from the Pope that Priests can bless same s:x couples as long as they don’t call it “marriage”.

I have noticed several Catholic entities are refusing to comply with this statement from the Pope and have openly defied him.

What do you, as Catholics, think of the Catholic organizations that refuse to comply with your Pope?

peace to you

 

[Cathode]

Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true and the doctrine is contrary to scripture. That’s why we base our beliefs in scripture, otherwise, we have 8 billion opinions of what is true.

Luther founded the revolutionary idea of “ Scripture alone “ , why aren’t you Lutheran. He said he based all his beliefs from Scripture Alone.

 

[Cathode]

This thread has swerved way off point.

As Catholics, do you support the statement from the Pope that Priests can bless same s:x couples as long as they don’t call it “marriage”.

I have noticed several Catholic entities are refusing to comply with this statement from the Pope and have openly defied him.

What do you, as Catholics, think of the Catholic organizations that refuse to comply with your Pope?

peace to you

Blessings can be given to people, even sinful people. So long as it is not seen as condoning or affirming people in sin, or in this case seen as some kind of quasi marriage.

Not sure what entities you are referring to?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

More news from Bishops in opposition

Archbishop prohibits priests from ‘performing any form of blessing’ of same-sex couples in response to new Vatican declaration - Catholic Herald

Still another Bishops instruction to NOT PREFORM any same sex blessing. GOOD!!! Stand your ground, don’t back down.

Peruvian Bishop Escudero Delivers Comprehensive Critique of Blessing Irregular Couples

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The problem with this proposal, is that I have seen the reality of the Eucharist, the reality of baptismal regeneration of an infant, and the reality of Purgatory. And having seen, I cannot unsee.

These I know are real, what I was taught has been confirmed by actual experience.

What kind of betrayal would it be, to deny a truth that was granted for me to know by pure and gracious privilege.

It’s a great privilege to know, whilst I look around as many others, better men than me are believing only by faith. Their’s is the better path, with privileges of its own.
There are countless others that don’t believe and will never know until they die.

To deny these truths, would betray all of these people including you, and myself.

So what kind of Baptist would you be receiving into your fold at that point.

So you deny regeneration of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Cathode]

So you deny regeneration of the Holy Spirit?

Water Baptism is regeneration by The Holy Spirit, always has been.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We live in pluralist societies in the west today, and for the most part differences are tolerated and surprisingly and thankfully many times celebrated.
In those times societies were not pluralist and heresies had the potential of causing massive societal upheaval, and civil authorities were very worried about heresy most of all.
See the western world was for the most part peacefully Catholic for a thousand years after converting the pagans.
Luther’s heresy caused the death of 130,000 Catholic men women and children in Germany in one year alone. That’s 37 times more deaths in one year than the whole Spanish Inquisition over 300 years. That was just in Germany, and there was no trial long before execution or opportunity for exile as with the Inquisition.

So yes, only in non pluralist societies, it is better and the moral thing to do, to execute a heretic, than suffer the horrendous death tolls the heretics like Luther cause. It’s the old principal of, It is better that one man should die, than a whole people. By far lesser of two evils.



Well, if my beliefs aren’t attacked, then I’m not forced to defend them. I can peaceably fellowship with people I consider brethren, but most important to me is to write down what’s on my heart at the time, and I write to preach to myself mostly. And people here have been gracious enough to give me a couple of sub forums to write on. Catholic sites are monotonous, just have the same things each time, so I have learned more on different sites with different perspectives.



You mean sent by the shadowy order of Jesuits from the Dark heart of the Vatican catacombs, sworn by blood oath in secret ceremonies to harass Baptist’s on their message forums.

The boring reality is that I’m a gardener with a limp, and main carer for aged parents, and do street ministry. I enjoy long romantic walks around water holes with my shotgun, shooting feral pigs and geese. That about sums me up.

Not harass but to infiltrate. There are no Baptists here that will agree with you and your doctrines, for the most part we are born again believers, not sacramental but saved by grace. Roman Catholic baptism in my day was in effect an exorcism not a regeneration… for me that came later in my life and that is what changed my life both spiritually and daily…what a revelation.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Water Baptism is regeneration by The Holy Spirit, always has been.

Nope…care to see my RC catechism? It was an exorcism to purge me of the demon Satan. Again you have been lied to by very dishonest people. But you need to recognize that you have been brainwashed… probably by the dark Jesuits… now you’re Secret Agent RC Man charged with converting us Baptists by infiltration… good luck, lol!

 

[canadyjd]

Luther founded the revolutionary idea of “ Scripture alone “ , why aren’t you Lutheran. He said he based all his beliefs from Scripture Alone.

What has to do with your Pope declaring Priests can bless same s:x couples as long as they don’t call it marriage?

Are you deflecting? Are you attempting to derail the discussion?

Start another thread with your question about Luther and I’ll answer it.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Blessings can be given to people, even sinful people. So long as it is not seen as condoning or affirming people in sin, or in this case seen as some kind of quasi marriage.

Not sure what entities you are referring to?

And that is the problem. It appears many Catholics see this statement as condoning sinful behavior and same s:x relationships, and are refusing to go along with it.

Several have mentioned the ambiguous language has caused confusion…..

…Which leads to the question… If the Pope is truly speaking with the voice of Jesus, why is he causing so much confusion? Jesus said let your yes be yes and your no be no. This Pope is saying sure it is but not really….

Are you in agreement with the statement from your Pope? Please follow the commands of our Lord Jesus and let your yes be yes or your No be No.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Blessings can be given to people, even sinful people. So long as it is not seen as condoning or affirming people in sin, or in this case seen as some kind of quasi marriage.

Not sure what entities you are referring to?

John Shelby Spong, Episcopal Bishop of Newark NJ stated that for years he had been approached by a young homosexual man who wished to become a priest and promised the Bishop that he planned to live a celibate life and one concentrating on serving his local church community. Well Spong believed the guy and made him a priest with a congregation in New Jersey. Many Episcopal mainliners were against doing it but the Bishop pursued it anyway, influenced by many progressives. It took about 6 months for this priest to go back on his word, come out as gay and proud and bring in a gay lover. Needles to say, Spong was embarrassed , but he now opened the door to the progressive homosexual agenda in the Episcopal Church. And that sits forever in my memory when discussing the blessing of same sex couples in the RCC. Let’s face it, this is another crack in the door that the LGBTQ will use to open it wide.

 

[Cathode]

Not harass but to infiltrate. There are no Baptists here that will agree with you and your doctrines, for the most part we are born again believers, not sacramental but saved by grace. Roman Catholic baptism in my day was in effect an exorcism not a regeneration… for me that came later in my life and that is what changed my life both spiritually and daily…what a revelation.

Regeneration is an exorcism. It’s when those under Satan’s dominion from the fall of Adams sin are cleansed and filled by the life of The Holy Trinity.
Ousting of Satan and infilling with God and His Grace.

I’m afraid you have seriously misunderstood some very fundamental things. Seriously.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The problem with this proposal, is that I have seen the reality of the Eucharist, the reality of baptismal regeneration of an infant, and the reality of Purgatory. And having seen, I cannot unsee.

These I know are real, what I was taught has been confirmed by actual experience.

What kind of betrayal would it be, to deny a truth that was granted for me to know by pure and gracious privilege.

It’s a great privilege to know, whilst I look around as many others, better men than me are believing only by faith. Their’s is the better path, with privileges of its own.
There are countless others that don’t believe and will never know until they die.

To deny these truths, would betray all of these people including you, and myself.

So what kind of Baptist would you be receiving into your fold at that point.

I wouldn’t accept you into the church with that testimony