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Alive in Christ

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Aaron posted...

"It actually frees one to think like the Almighty. We're commanded to think on whatsoever things are lovely."
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And that is *precisely* why I listen to, enjoy, and play contemporary CCM style music.

The lyrics are lovely, the music is lovely, and the reason it is being played is lovely.

Why?

Because the the motivation is...

1) To praise and worship Almighty God...the Father, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ.

2) To edify believers

3) To evangelize.

I can sure see why you and others hate it so much. :tonofbricks:
 
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Eric B said:
People know what's lovely and base, but not all agree with the division of music into those categories thw ay you do.
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That's true. Never said otherwise.

You try to say it is really God's preference. . .
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God is not moved by music. We are, and the issue is God's will for us.

. . .but you have no evidence of that.
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Once one understands that music is human interaction, and not a thing that you can pluck off a tree or find washed up on the beach, then it's clear that the character qualities God desires in us are to be emulated in the styles of music one indulges.

You try to base this on man's knowledge, but man does not agree on it, so it is not universal.
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Responses to music are universal.
 
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I have never denied that music is human interaction. However, you and your side have appealed to "music that makes you sit and contemplate" (or march) vs "music that makes you move" as the ultimate proof. But that is where you have absotlutely no proof that that specifically reflects what God's will for us is, or his character. The Bible may use the language of "warfare", but that is only to be taken but so far. Marching is not more spiritual than tapping your feet to a lively rhythm. (Not all rock or whatever leads people to gyrate sexually, or whatever is being assumed).
And pagans contemplated. So that's not more spiritual either.
 
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Alive in Christ said:
Because the the motivation is...

3) To evangelize.
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Can you give any Biblical precedent where music was used to evangelize?
Where in the NT was music used to evangelize?
How is this a Biblical usage of music?
Or is the real philosophy here: "the end justifies the means." (humanism)
 
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sag38

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Or is it just your opinion that objects? No offense, but I think that where the truth really lies.
 
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DaleMcNamee

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Dear DHK,

You wrote : " Can you give any Biblical precedent where music was used to evangelize?
Where in the NT was music used to evangelize?
How is this a Biblical usage of music?
Or is the real philosophy here: "the end justifies the means." (humanism) "

What about revival meetings,camp meetings, etc. ?
 
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DHK

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DaleMcNamee said:
Dear DHK,

You wrote : " Can you give any Biblical precedent where music was used to evangelize?
Where in the NT was music used to evangelize?
How is this a Biblical usage of music?
Or is the real philosophy here: "the end justifies the means." (humanism) "

What about revival meetings,camp meetings, etc. ?
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The question is not where--camp meetings, etc.?
The question is the purpose of music.

Go through all the passages of the Bible that speak or have any reference to music.
Look at Solomon when he dedicated his temple.
David when he sang before Saul.
The Psalms.
The two passages in Eph.5 and Col.3
The Book of Revelation
And any other passage that may come to your mind.

What is the purpose of music in the Bible? And I stress in the Bible.
I doubt if you will find any passage about music being used for evangelization in the Bible. I won't say that it is entirely wrong. But I will say that that is not primarily what God intended music for.
 
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I doubt if you will find any passage about music being used for evangelization in the Bible. I won't say that it is entirely wrong. But I will say that that is not primarily what God intended music for.

With that I can agree. Music is music and is only a tool to be used. I can't think of ever going to a revival meeting where music in some shape form or fashion wasn't a part of the program or process.
 
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Dear DHK,

You wrote : " The question is not where--camp meetings, etc.?
The question is the purpose of music.

Go through all the passages of the Bible that speak or have any reference to music.
Look at Solomon when he dedicated his temple.
David when he sang before Saul.
The Psalms.
The two passages in Eph.5 and Col.3
The Book of Revelation
And any other passage that may come to your mind.

What is the purpose of music in the Bible? And I stress in the Bible.
I doubt if you will find any passage about music being used for evangelization in the Bible. I won't say that it is entirely wrong. But I will say that that is not primarily what God intended music for. "

You're right. There is no explicit passage in the Bible stating that music can be used for evangelization.

But, there's no explicit Bible passages forbidding it either.

Again, what is the purpose of music at evangelizing events such as revival meetings and camp meetings that advertise " good old time preaching and hymns" ?

As sag38 said: " With that I can agree. Music is music and is only a tool to be used. I can't think of ever going to a revival meeting where music in some shape form or fashion wasn't a part of the program or process."

So....Are those who use music at revival meetings,etc. wrong in using music as part of the evangelizing according to you ?

Be honest, after all, it's your arguement... Defend it since Scripture neither commands nor forbids the use of music in this manner.
 
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DHK...

"Can you give any Biblical precedent where music was used to evangelize?"
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Yes. The Psalms. Some of them praise and magnify God magnificently. Many name the psalms as being very influential in them being born again.

In addition, the scriptures teach...(Christ speaking)...

"If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to myself."
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He was "lifted up" at Calvary of course, but we all know that Christ can be "lifted up" in any of a million ways. Praising Him in worship. Praising Him by the singing of Hymns. Praising Him publically when witnessing.

And also praising and "lifting Him up" in wonderful CCM music...be it CCM or contemporary praise and worship music.

Again, Christ said...

"If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to myself."
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He gave no specifics. He left us with freedom to decide how.

I have heard testimonies from new born christians who were not convicted by preaching, wittnessing, bible studies, or the singing of Hymns.

But CCM touched them, and reached them. And they came to Christ.
 
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Alive in Christ

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DHK,

You cant just condemn something because you dont like it.

An example:

I can not stand the sound of "Rap" noise. (I cant even call it music) Its just hidious.

If I am forced to hear it for a period of time, I get headaches, nausea, and bowel problems.

And thats just in the 1st 3 seconds. :eek: ;)




Seriously...I cant stand the sound of it.

But someone recently recommended a particular youtube Rap video to check out.

I didnt care for the rapping of course, but I watched it. and listened.

And you know what?

I understood every word that they rapped (thats not always the case), and EVERYTHING that was said in Rap form was clearly exalting Jesus Christ as our only hope for salvation, and fruitfullness in this life. It was completly Christ exalting.

In spite of my strong distaste for the particular genre...I PRAISE GOD FOR IT. Because some kids these days..God help them :D...love Rap.

Let everything that has breath PRAISE THE LORD...even if its Rap.
 
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DaleMcNamee

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Dear Nodak,

You wrote about a minister complaining about "cowboy churches"... I did a look up and came across this site : http://www.cowboycn.org/

Click on the "Who We Are "button and read their statement of faith. It's quite orthodox. And also click on the cowboy button.

These churches reach out to the cattleman,cowboy,rancher,ranch hand, rodeo participant,etc. who are sometimes overlooked.

And I have a question...Why would giving up CCM church music in your example, be a sign of being a true Christian ?

I've been playing contemporary worship music for the past 30+ years in church and never saw anyone forcing it on anyone else. Hymns were still played and sung as well in the same service. Fears were addressed and contemporary music was accepted.
 
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Aaron said:
I could, but I won't. It's a stupid question.
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If you had said it is a sin to play the bass guitar, I was going to respond with Psalm 150:4.

Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

The reason I asked is next month I'm going to start taking bass guitar lessons. I'm so excited!
 
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