CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

[Yeshua1]

God heals unbelievers (unsaved) also. The only difference between them and christians is faith in Christ's atonement. But if christians also are found to receive healing without faith, God is not pleased!

What is the use of healing without pleasing God?

We have the promise of All spiritual blessings in Christ, no promise of all wealth and health in this life!

 

[Steven_15]

By teaching the heresy that christians cannot be healed by faith in Christ's atonement, you are sending christians to these gifted healers. Don't work as an agent for commission by preaching heresies and indirectly sending christians to those gifted healers!

None of them are gifted by God to heal, as they all hold to teachings of demons, not the scriptures![/QUOTE]

Don't work as an agent for commission by preaching heresies and indirectly sending christians to those gifted healers!

 

[Yeshua1]

You're moving the goalposts. No one says Christ cannot heal.

Yes, as we hold that God when he chooses to casn still heal and do miracles, but NONE gifted today with gifts to do that, and they are not norm for today! And God would not be at work among WoF and their ilk, as they teach and hold to heresies, how can the Holy Spirit be part of that?

 

[Yeshua1]

You are moving the goal posts from "healing by faith" to "healing". Why are you opposing faith which pleases God?

God is not some cosmic genie that we can force to do our will by positive confession and words of faith!

 

[Yeshua1]

He has already decided in eternity. He doesn't decide now. Now it is a matter of faith.

No, for God will is not for our health and wealth, but to be conformed into image of Jesus, and that includes trials and tribulations along the way!

 

[Yeshua1]

Healing does not come only through sign gifts but through faith in Christ's atonement as well. Any christian who seeks healing apart from faith in Christ's healing commits apostasy in that area!

There is no physical healing in the Atonement, so your teachers are the ones promoting heresy!

 

[Yeshua1]

There is one in this thread who suffers from the sickness called hagin-phobia!
Because hagin taught "faith in Christ's atonement for healing" and also exhibits "sign gifts", this person has concluded that both "faith for healing" & "sign gifts" are the same. Thence he goes around frantically disproving faith for healing! Funny guy.

hagin, and Copeland,were both teaching heresies!

 

[Yeshua1]

The prayer of elders for the christians refers to new converts. It is not an excuse for the christians to not believe by faith in Christ's atonement for healing.
Local churches have to teach faith & evangelism for God to use them to proclaim the gospel or else God will send persecution. Read Acts8:1-4.

the bible does not teach physical healing in the Atonement, so why should we?

 

[rockytopva]

By teaching the heresy that christians cannot be healed by faith in Christ's atonement, you are sending christians to these gifted healers. Don't work as an agent for commission by preaching heresies and indirectly sending christians to those gifted healers!

None of them are gifted by God to heal, as they all hold to teachings of demons, not the scriptures![/QUOTE]

Hopefully none here are guilty of.... "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." - 2 Timothy 3:5

 

[Calminian]

Don't be a false teacher using terms like "sovereignty" because without faith in Christ's atonement for healing, all your talk of sovereignty is empty!

Don't be a fool and think you're sovereign over God.

 

[rockytopva]

And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.- Matthew 13:58

If any do not believe in healing... He won't!
If any believe in Cessasionalism... He will!

Where there is no faith there is no Christ Jesus!

 

[Yeshua1]

None of them are gifted by God to heal, as they all hold to teachings of demons, not the scriptures!

Hopefully none here are guilty of.... "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." - 2 Timothy 3:5[/QUOTE]
none should heed doctrines of demons either!

 

[Steven_15]

And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.- Matthew 13:58

If any do not believe in healing... He won't!
If any believe in Cessasionalism... He will!

Where there is no faith there is no Christ Jesus!

For healing this evolutionist hagin-phobic false christian is proposing a doctrine of demons by denying healing in Christ's atonement as stated in Isaiah 53:4 & Mathew 8:17.
Thus he is an apostate regarding healing as he is not under the atonement for healing. For healing, medical doctor is his Messiah not Jesus.

 

[Steven_15]

Don't be a fool and think you're sovereign over God.

Don't be an apostate by going out of Christ's atonement & trust in medical doctor as your Messiah for your physical healing! Repent.

 

[Steven_15]

the bible does not teach physical healing in the Atonement, so why should we?

For physical healing you go out of the atonement trusting in the medical doctor as your Messiah for your physical healing. So in the area of healing you are an apostate!

 

[Steven_15]

hagin, and Copeland,were both teaching heresies!

You are teaching the heresy that healing is material/worldly and so doesn't come from God nor through Christ's atonement!
Having said so, you run after a medical doctor for physical healing which is worldly!

 

[Steven_15]

No, for God will is not for our health and wealth, but to be conformed into image of Jesus, and that includes trials and tribulations along the way!

If it's not God's will for you to have health and wealth, are you fighting cancer and begging in your neighborhood, you hypocrite? You run to medical doctor for healing and have a home but teach the heresy it's not God's will for christians to have health & wealth!

 

[Steven_15]

No, for God will is not for our health and wealth, but to be conformed into image of Jesus, and that includes trials and tribulations along the way!

Are you being conformed into the image of Jesus? Wasn't Jesus perfectly sinless according to Mathew 5:48? But you are trusting in your works, violating Mathew 5:48 & preaching others to stop sinning. You are being conformed into the image of a hypocrite!!

 

[Steven_15]

God is not some cosmic genie that we can force to do our will by positive confession and words of faith!

Confession of faith is based on God's sovereign will to eternally heal through Christ's atonement.
Don't pretend to be reformed using terms like "sovereignty". You've nothing to do with reformed truths.

 

[Steven_15]

Yes, as we hold that God when he chooses to casn still heal and do miracles, but NONE gifted today with gifts to do that, and they are not norm for today! And God would not be at work among WoF and their ilk, as they teach and hold to heresies, how can the Holy Spirit be part of that?

Don't heretically confuse between gifted healers and faith. Personal faith never ceases in this era!

Sign gifts have nothing to do with personal faith.

Christians turn to healers because you deny healing through faith in Christ's atonement. Don't be a promoter for copeland ministries!!