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CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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AustinC

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rockytopva said:
And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.- Matthew 13:58

If any do not believe in healing... He won't!
If any believe in Cessasionalism... He will!

Where there is no faith there is no Christ Jesus!
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Be careful with this. Your last sentence sounds like you are worshipping faith and calling it your Jesus.

Faith is given to the Christian as a gift so that we will believe and thus do the works that God has ordained us to do. (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Faith is not an emotion we conjure up from ourselves through our own willpower. That emotion is not God given faith. Instead, it is self-driven, pride seeking, emotion thinking it can coerce God into giving the man something that will make the man more powerful than he was before.
Flee such a notion that faith comes from inside the man.
 
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AustinC said:
Be careful with this. Your last sentence sounds like you are worshipping faith and calling it your Jesus.

Faith is given to the Christian as a gift so that we will believe and thus do the works that God has ordained us to do. (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Faith is not an emotion we conjure up from ourselves through our own willpower. That emotion is not God given faith. Instead, it is self-driven, pride seeking, emotion thinking it can coerce God into giving the man something that will make the man more powerful than he was before.
Flee such a notion that faith comes from inside the man.
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Mark 9:23: "Jesus said to him, "If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.""

Is Jesus teaching to coerce? Faith is trusting God's sovereign will to have healing through Christ's atonement (Isaiah53:4; Mathew 8:17).
 
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Yeshua1

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Steven_15 said:
For healing this evolutionist hagin-phobic false christian is proposing a doctrine of demons by denying healing in Christ's atonement as stated in Isaiah 53:4 & Mathew 8:17.
Thus he is an apostate regarding healing as he is not under the atonement for healing. For healing, medical doctor is his Messiah not Jesus.
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So when paul asked Timothy to take some wine and not claim his divine healing, was in heresy?
 
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Yeshua1

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Steven_15 said:
You are teaching the heresy that healing is material/worldly and so doesn't come from God nor through Christ's atonement!
Having said so, you run after a medical doctor for physical healing which is worldly!
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God gave to us drugs to heal, correct?
 
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Yeshua1

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Steven_15 said:
If it's not God's will for you to have health and wealth, are you fighting cancer and begging in your neighborhood, you hypocrite? You run to medical doctor for healing and have a home but teach the heresy it's not God's will for christians to have health & wealth!
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Your teaching only works form the crooks like Copeland and Hinn and the gang, who fleeced millions from followers!
 
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Yeshua1

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Steven_15 said:
Are you being conformed into the image of Jesus? Wasn't Jesus perfectly sinless according to Mathew 5:48? But you are trusting in your works, violating Mathew 5:48 & preaching others to stop sinning. You are being conformed into the image of a hypocrite!!
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So when Paul turned that sinning member over to satan was wrong?
 
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Steven_15 said:
Confession of faith is based on God's sovereign will to eternally heal through Christ's atonement.
Don't pretend to be reformed using terms like "sovereignty". You've nothing to do with reformed truths.
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The WoF teachers indeed are far from being Reformed as one can get!
 
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Yeshua1

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Steven_15 said:
Don't heretically confuse between gifted healers and faith. Personal faith never ceases in this era!

Sign gifts have nothing to do with personal faith.

Christians turn to healers because you deny healing through faith in Christ's atonement. Don't be a promoter for copeland ministries!!
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We have all be promised eternal healing in the resurrection!
 
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Yeshua1

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AustinC said:
Be careful with this. Your last sentence sounds like you are worshipping faith and calling it your Jesus.

Faith is given to the Christian as a gift so that we will believe and thus do the works that God has ordained us to do. (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Faith is not an emotion we conjure up from ourselves through our own willpower. That emotion is not God given faith. Instead, it is self-driven, pride seeking, emotion thinking it can coerce God into giving the man something that will make the man more powerful than he was before.
Flee such a notion that faith comes from inside the man.
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Sounds like "having faith in your faith"
 
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Yeshua1

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Steven_15 said:
Mark 9:23: "Jesus said to him, "If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.""

Is Jesus teaching to coerce? Faith is trusting God's sovereign will to have healing through Christ's atonement (Isaiah53:4; Mathew 8:17).
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There is NO scripture that states its always the will of God to physical heal !
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Jesus was speaking as God Incarnate, and was during that age of miracles and healing!
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Testimony... I was born into a dysfunctional family and at one time was down to a suitcase of clothes, $500, and a 69 Buick ready to fall apart, along with ringing of the ears, vertigo, and a doctor telling me that I would more that likely come down with Minears Disease and lose my hearing. . I told myself if I was going down I was going down believing God. Here it is decades later I am healed physically, in great health, own two homes (in which I let kin folk live at the other place), got two associate degrees, out of debt, and moved up to Lab Technician at a wonderful factory making all kinds of money.

Faith... I will fight over that one as that is what it took for me to be an over-comer.
 
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AustinC

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Steven_15 said:
Mark 9:23: "Jesus said to him, "If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.""

Is Jesus teaching to coerce? Faith is trusting God's sovereign will to have healing through Christ's atonement (Isaiah53:4; Mathew 8:17).
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We cannot believe unless God chooses to make us alive with Christ. Until then, we would remain dead in our trespasses and sins. (Ephesians 2:1-9)
 
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Steven_15

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Yeshua1 said:
So when paul asked Timothy to take some wine and not claim his divine healing, was in heresy?
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2 Corinthians 11:17: "That which I speak, I don't speak according to the Lord, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting".

Did Paul always speak wisely?
 
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