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CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Steven_15, Apr 28, 2020.

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  1. AustinC

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    Be careful with this. Your last sentence sounds like you are worshipping faith and calling it your Jesus.

    Faith is given to the Christian as a gift so that we will believe and thus do the works that God has ordained us to do. (Ephesians 2:8-10)
    Faith is not an emotion we conjure up from ourselves through our own willpower. That emotion is not God given faith. Instead, it is self-driven, pride seeking, emotion thinking it can coerce God into giving the man something that will make the man more powerful than he was before.
    Flee such a notion that faith comes from inside the man.
     
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    Mark 9:23: "Jesus said to him, "If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.""

    Is Jesus teaching to coerce? Faith is trusting God's sovereign will to have healing through Christ's atonement (Isaiah53:4; Mathew 8:17).
     
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    So when paul asked Timothy to take some wine and not claim his divine healing, was in heresy?
     
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    His teachers do claim that if we think and speak positive, that the "laws of faith" will enable us to command to have God do what we ask!
     
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    So its sinning to have surgery to heal us of cancer then?
     
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    God gave to us drugs to heal, correct?
     
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    Your teaching only works form the crooks like Copeland and Hinn and the gang, who fleeced millions from followers!
     
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    So when Paul turned that sinning member over to satan was wrong?
     
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    The WoF teachers indeed are far from being Reformed as one can get!
     
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    We have all be promised eternal healing in the resurrection!
     
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    Sounds like "having faith in your faith"
     
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    There is NO scripture that states its always the will of God to physical heal !
     
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    Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. - Mark 9:23

    A Double L... All!
     
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    Jesus was speaking as God Incarnate, and was during that age of miracles and healing!
     
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    Testimony... I was born into a dysfunctional family and at one time was down to a suitcase of clothes, $500, and a 69 Buick ready to fall apart, along with ringing of the ears, vertigo, and a doctor telling me that I would more that likely come down with Minears Disease and lose my hearing. . I told myself if I was going down I was going down believing God. Here it is decades later I am healed physically, in great health, own two homes (in which I let kin folk live at the other place), got two associate degrees, out of debt, and moved up to Lab Technician at a wonderful factory making all kinds of money.

    Faith... I will fight over that one as that is what it took for me to be an over-comer.
     
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    We cannot believe unless God chooses to make us alive with Christ. Until then, we would remain dead in our trespasses and sins. (Ephesians 2:1-9)
     
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    2 Corinthians 11:17: "That which I speak, I don't speak according to the Lord, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting".

    Did Paul always speak wisely?
     
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    So you aren't a christian?
     
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    Rubbish! There is NO scripture which says there are times when christians cannot be healed through faith!
     
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    The discussion is about healing in this world not eternal healing.

    Till resurrection, doctor is your Messiah or mediator to bring healing from God for apostates!
     
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