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Dave, what about when the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost in Acts 2?Prove from scripture the gifts came in any other way.
The believing (born again) Jews asked Peter for advise. Had they not believe, they would not have asked. This means they already had the Holy Spirit, faith is a fruit thereof. Peter told them to repent and they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit which is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. In essence, all believers have the Holy Spirit in the new birth. But the new birth becomes the baptism of the Holy Spirit through repentance as defined in the new covenant. = the less we cater to sin, the more immersed in the Holy Spirit we become.Dave, what about when the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost in Acts 2?
I agree that all believers receive the Holy Spirit when we are born again. I really like the progression you described there. But these believers spoke in tongues, even though there was no laying on of hands.The believing (born again) Jews asked Peter for advise. Had they not believe, they would not have asked. This means they already had the Holy Spirit, faith is a fruit thereof. Peter told them to repent and they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit which is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. In essence, all believers have the Holy Spirit in the new birth. But the new birth becomes the baptism of the Holy Spirit through repentance as defined in the new covenant. = the less we cater to sin, the more immersed in the Holy Spirit we become.
There were two outpourings where the few recipients spoke in tongues. The only other mention of tongues in Acts is associated with an apostle imparting the gift by the laying on of hands.I agree that all believers receive the Holy Spirit when we are born again. I really like the progression you described there. But these believers spoke in tongues, even though there was no laying on of hands.
For the first time ever, I've just realized that the only ones who spoke in tongues at Pentecost were the Apostles. As many times as I read that before, I always thought that everyone spoke in tongues that day - possibly due to some Charismatic teachings, but I must take personal responsibility as well. Thank you for the "eye-opener". I'm not as sure today of what I was positive of a week ago.There were two outpourings where the few recipients spoke in tongues. The only other mention of tongues in Acts is associated with an apostle imparting the gift by the laying on of hands.